Is R1a-Z93 originally Iranian or Turanian?

[Arhat]

Do you think that Scythians arose from BMAC like Indo-Aryans?

It is retarded to think that they spoke an Iranian language. They spoke a language isolate of their own.

Yeah this is why Khotan Saka texts where written in an Iranic language, Sarmatians/Scythians had Iranic names and South Russia is full of Iranic hydronyms. Turks arrived quite late in the region and saying Scythians were Turks is as much as funny as saying Aztecs spoke Spanish because their modern descendants speak it.

[Chelubey]

Yeah this is why Khotan Saka texts where written in an Iranic language, Sarmatians/Scythians had Iranic names and South Russia is full of Iranic hydronyms. Turks arrived quite late in the region and saying Scythians were Turks is as much as funny as saying Aztecs spoke Spanish because their modern descendants speak it.

There is no reason to classify one of the Iranian dialects that existed in the Khotan in the first millennium as Saka dialect. It is just biased.

[Chelubey]

What we have ?
We have a huge theoretical blah blah blah about the assimilation of hypothetical Iranians by Turkic tribes and documented assimilation of Turkic tribes by Iranians in Afghanistan in the Middle Ages. These tribes are known among Afghans and have Turkic names. The closest relatives of these tribes among the Turkic peoples are also known (they now live in Turkmenistan and Iran). We just need to compare their subclades. We will possibly find out the truth in the coming years.

Turkic substrate in the Afghans.
Pushtun "baz" - head of tribe, from Turkic "bas / bash" - head.
Pushtun "jirga" - assembly - from turkic "jargy" - assembly ,forum, trial - from turkic verb "jar" - to judge .

[Proto-Shaman]

South Russia is full of Iranic hydronyms.

Deniz is not Iranian, you liar, it's TURKIC!

[Illyrius]

A nice unmixed Oghuz example for Central Asia before Mongolization.


After BMAC'ization (Iranization):

Lol that old man looks like an old farmer who lives in the nearby village of my city.

[Kmakkmak]

You should be banned for your trollish behaviour but this place is an asylum for trolls...

I approve you.

[TribalSky]

Your subclade (Z2122>Y57...) belongs to a mainly Turkic cluster. Here are some portraits of your Turkic relatives: https://www.academia.edu/17661672/BE..._1_April_2015_

Yes, Thank you.

I also can see that samples of my clade (Y52) were also found in Sarmatian burials in the Caucasus/Steppes and according to the Karachay-Balkar DNA project (descendants of Kipchaks), a number of people also have this calde of Y52.

Given the rarity of my clade in England, I have no doubt that my paternal direct ancestor was one of the Sarmatians who came to England or perhaps a frank with an Alanic YDNA (Alans also went to france when some went to spain with the visigoths) who came over during the conquest of 1066.

[Leto]

Yes, Thank you.

I also can see that samples of my clade (Y52) were also found in Sarmatian burials in the Caucasus/Steppes and according to the Karachay-Balkar DNA project (descendants of Kipchaks), a number of people also have this calde of Y52.

Given the rarity of my clade in England, I have no doubt that my paternal direct ancestor was one of the Sarmatians who came to England or perhaps a frank with an Alanic YDNA (Alans also went to france when some went to spain with the visigoths) who came over during the conquest of 1066.

Your Y haplogroup isn't Turkic but Aryan, therefore Indo-European. Don't listen to that lunatic, he should not be taken seriously.

[Rocinante]

In my understanding it is:

ANE ---> EHG ---> WSH ---> Iranian ---> Scythian

[Annihilus]

Isn't Z93 way older than both iranic and turkic?