Is R1a-Z93 originally Iranian or Turanian?

[Sora]

Isn't Z93 way older than both iranic and turkic?

Yes, it's an ancient Indo-European Steppe haplogroup. So why this fight of "Turkic vs. Iranic"?

According to studies, modern(also early) Turkics are mixture of Steppe Indo-Europeans & Mongoloid Siberians and modern Iranics(especially the Eastern) are mixture of Sintasha & Iran_N.

[henry007]

Yeah. As people say, R1a_Z93 isnt iranic or turkic either. Older than both. Turkics just happen to either get it from iranics or directly from the steppe folks, while iranics got it directly from the steppe folks as well

[Sora]

Yeah. As people say, R1a_Z93 isnt iranic or turkic either. Older than both. Turkics just happen to either get it from iranics or directly from the steppe folks, while iranics got it directly from the steppe folks as well

Turkics got it directly from Steppe folks too. Because Kyrgyz people(who have nothing to do with Iranics and are 66% Mongoloid) have 63% R1a-Z93, Altai people(a Turkic people in Southern Siberia who are 70% Mongoloid and they have nothing to do with Iranics) have 46% R1a-Z93 too.

[henry007]

Turkics got it directly from Steppe folks too. Because Kyrgyz people(who have nothing to do with Iranics and are 66% Mongoloid) have 63% R1a-Z93, Altai people(a Turkic people in Southern Siberia who are 70% Mongoloid and they have nothing to do with Iranics) have 46% R1a-Z93 too.

Thats why i said they either got it from iranics or DIRECTLY from steppe folks too

[Hashoeva]

R1a is original a turkic / mongol asiatic haplogroup, just like haplogroup Q, its brother haplogroup.

[Leto]

Turkics got it directly from Steppe folks too. Because Kyrgyz people(who have nothing to do with Iranics and are 66% Mongoloid) have 63% R1a-Z93, Altai people(a Turkic people in Southern Siberia who are 70% Mongoloid and they have nothing to do with Iranics) have 46% R1a-Z93 too.

The Kyrgyz ethnicity was founded by a white elite. That's what some medieval Chinese sources claimed. I think their R1a is ultimately from the Andronovo.

[samario]

Yes, Thank you.

I also can see that samples of my clade (Y52) were also found in Sarmatian burials in the Caucasus/Steppes and according to the Karachay-Balkar DNA project (descendants of Kipchaks), a number of people also have this calde of Y52.

Given the rarity of my clade in England, I have no doubt that my paternal direct ancestor was one of the Sarmatians who came to England or perhaps a frank with an Alanic YDNA (Alans also went to france when some went to spain with the visigoths) who came over during the conquest of 1066.

R-Z93 isn't Turkic. Your clade might suggest that but YDNA itself is Indo-European as some people have noted. Have you got other male relatives? Looks like R-Z93 is going to spread all over England.

[TribalSky]

R-Z93 isn't Turkic. Your clade might suggest that but YDNA itself is Indo-European as some people have noted. Have you got other male relatives? Looks like R-Z93 is going to spread all over England.

I didn't say it was.

All of my quote is accurate, with accurate information.

My clade of Y57 and Y52 is very uncommon in the West.
All what we know of it and brother clades is that its mainly Scytho-Sarmatian.

Z93 and z94 have other clades but itself is still not common in West Europe.

[TribalSky]

R-Z93 isn't Turkic. Your clade might suggest that but YDNA itself is Indo-European as some people have noted. Have you got other male relatives? Looks like R-Z93 is going to spread all over England.

All haplogroups spread all over the world, so that doesn't mean anything.
Its best to look at what populations and cultures had which clades mainly.

Funny you should mention male relatives.
Over the past 200 years my male line has been quite small actually. I have traced my paternal line back with records.
I have no brothers, my father has no brothers and my grandfather had no brothers and his father only had 2 brothers. My great great grandfather only had 1 or 2 brothers and his father only had one half brother. His father didn't have any brothers and his father before him didnt have any brothers.
So yeah, my paternal spread isn't as wide as some over the years

[Proto-Shaman]

Your Y haplogroup isn't Turkic but Aryan, therefore Indo-European. Don't listen to that lunatic, he should not be taken seriously.

Don't pollute his mind with your ill-characteristic behavior of trying to de-turkify a purely Turkic haplotype you dirty mongrel Indo-European zombie thief.