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Although the oldest example of Z93 is found in eastern Europe,this does not necessarily mean that it was born there.
R1a M417,which is very rare today,was spread throught baltic to Lake Baikal during the Mesolithic period.and its origin probably in baikal area
Z93 may be similar to the past,but in order to say something certain, more extensive research has to be done in Ancient Siberia and Central Asia.
As for me,I can't say anything about the Y DNA of the PBT people,maybe Z93 maybe something else.
Haplogroup R1a1a1-M417 (formed ca. 6500 BC, TMRCA ca. 3500 BC) is first found in the Karelian hunter-gatherer dated ca. 6425 BC. Two samples of R1a1a1-M417, dated ca. 5250 BC, have also been found in Early Neolithic Baikalic cultures near the zone where the ancient Mal’ta-Buret’ culture was located. Strontium isotope ratios confirm their local origin, with high paternal heterogeneity, with a trend to replacement by east Eurasian lineages during the Late Neolithic[Moussa et al. 2016].from https://indo-european.info/ie/R1a-M4...nter-GatherersGiven the Eurasian origin of the eastern European pottery (see Mesolithic-Neolithic transition) and its westward expansion into Europe, the likely eastern origin of EHG ancestry and R1a1a1-M417 lineages, it seems logical to find a common origin of both populations (from eastern Europe and the Baikal region) in an expansion from Eurasian territory, dated around the subclade’s formation date.
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OK, guys. My Y-DNA is marked as Z93 and my father's lineage comes from Spain. So you're telling me Turkic tribes settled in Spain centuries ago?
Other forumers claim it is of Alanic origin.
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Indo-European>Iranic>Turanian
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It's West Asian (East West Asian, betting on Iran). There are Bedouin tribes which are majority R-Z93. With the Saudis at the basal branches of R-Z93's children clades around TMRCA of R-Z93, calling it Indo-European is misleading.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Colombians
a subclade would really help
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A subclade would help.
I'm English with a Z93 haplo with the subclade of Y52>YP1270/1269. Its fairly certain my male line were Scytho-Sarmatians and reached England when Marcus Aurelius sent his 5,500 Sarmatian cavalry there to guard Hadrians wall and keep back the Picts, apparently (Not sure if this is true or not) there were only 7 Sarmatians left guarding the wall when their service ended which accounts for the rarity of this YDNA in England. This is backed up by Y52 being a strong Sarmatian clade and being found in Sarmatian burial kurgans around Rostov on Don.
I would expect some of the presence in Spain to be from the Alans with merged with the Visigoths and entered after the vandals. The presence of Z93 in France can also be attributed mostly to the Alans settling in Gaul and some Z93 in Switzerland can be attributed to the Alans settling in Savoy.
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