Idea: A new Atlantic Order ?

[The Lawspeaker]

A lot of paleoconservatives in America also feel NATO is outdated and America should leave (ask them). The Warsaw Pact was a reaction to NATO, and the first fell. Whats the purpose of NATO today?
See my earlier comment.

Given that paleoconservatives are only a small portion of Americans. The Democrats/Liberals voters in America like NATO more than the Republicans/"conservatives" because its internationalist organization.
The matter of elites is different. Both Republican and Democrats still largely support it.

They saw it that way 10, 20 years ago. The world has changed a bit so I am 1) doing the Russki's a favour (they can then no longer claim that we are a threat but they themselves will be seen as a mortal threat by anyone in the East) 2) doing ourselves a favour: our interests aren't in dying for some far-away hovels but to protect our own economy.
With the East as a buffer, neither is a threat to the other and we can do our own thing.

[Dragoon]

Says a communist source. And actually: it's not unlikely that it will as a lot of people here in the West (be it Britain or the Netherlands) are already quite fed up with the East - both in regards to NATO and (particularly) the EU. Even when they agree with some national conservative policies, they consider Eastern Europe to be mooches (at best).

Most countries involved are, traditionally, naval rather than land army powers (Britain, Denmark, the Netherlands, Norway - France and Germany too have strong naval traditions and the U.S too once relied more on its navy than the army and kept them traditionally small at the expense of the navy).

No. You are just attacking the source, instead of the real quote of importance.
There are plenty of non communist websites with the same idea:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/...ated-reversed/
https://www.quora.com/Has-NATO-serve...d-Germany-down


Again:

. The purpose of the new treaty organization founded in 1952, Ismay asserted, was “to keep the Russians out, the Americans in, and the Germans down.”

[Dragoon]

They saw it that way 10, 20 years ago. The world has changed a bit so I am 1) doing the Russki's a favour (they can then no longer claim that we are a threat but they themselves will be seen as a mortal threat by anyone in the East) 2) doing ourselves a favour: our interests aren't in dying for some far-away hovels but to protect our own economy.
With the East as a buffer, neither is a threat to the other and we can do our own thing.

Your Paranoia with the Russians makes no sense. Ive seen it in dozens of posts.

The Cold War is over, you dont border them (your tiny country is far away). The Eastern European countries do.

Your plane which was shot down by Ukraine or Russia (still unclear who did, regardless of what you think), lost one or two hundred people.

Eastern Europe lots hundreds of thousands.

Fact is Europe has bigger worries than Russians. The Cultural War. Economy for some countries. Mass immigration, etc.

[The Lawspeaker]

No. You are just attacking the source, instead of the real quote of importance.
There are plenty of non communist websites with the same idea:
https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/...ated-reversed/
https://www.quora.com/Has-NATO-serve...d-Germany-down


Again:

Said one British general. NATO did a piss poor job then as 12 years after WWII, West Germany could muster up to 650.000 men and 15 years after the war had their own armaments industry not just arming their own forces but their allies as well (including the United States in some areas) and by the 1980s they could field up to 4000 tanks . In other fields they have been successful: the Russians were poised to invade during the late 40s and early 50s (you would see a lot of communist agitation in France, Greece, Italy and Belgium at the same time) but they never came. Why ? NATO.
The Americans are still in as well.

[The Lawspeaker]

Your Paranoia with the Russians makes no sense. Ive seen it in dozens of posts.

The Cold War is over, you dont border (your tiny country is far away) them. The Eastern European countries do.

Your plane which was shot down by Ukraine or Russia (still unclear who did, regardless of what you think), lost one or two hundred people.

Eastern Europe lots hundreds of thousands.

Tough luck for Eastern Europe then. Unfortunately for you, I too can point at history and we can draw the line to today. I am going to be brutal with you here: it may have happened to you - let's make sure that it won't happen to us.

[justTosee]

I don't care about your views. In fact: if you hate us so much, then why would you even want to be in NATO ? And why are you so butt-hurt about Western Europeans wanting to go their own way with the ANZACS, Canadians and Americans ? Or maybe it's because you know, deep down, that without us, you're fucked ?

We're "Fucked" ? Where do you get this ?

You might actualyl be so fucking pissed about the truth, that you're ... inventing your own illusion ?

Whose imprisoning Europe right now ? US & Nato ? or you "commie" bullshit fanatasies ?

I guess both since it only serves Western propaganda

[The Lawspeaker]

We're "Fucked" ? Where do you get this ?

You might actualyl be so fucking pissed about the truth, that you're ... inventing your own illusion ?

Whose imprisoning Europe right now ? US & Nato ? or you "commie" bullshit fanatasies ?

I guess both since it only serves Western propaganda

Neither. Our own leftie politicians. Who, funny enough, were trained by those trained by the Russians who supported every major communist and socialist party as late as 1989.

So why are you so pissed about us leaving you to the wolves if you hate us to much ? Answer it. Wouldn't it be more logical to be glad that someone thinks that you shouldn't be in a club that you hate so much ?

[justTosee]

A lot of paleoconservatives in America also feel NATO is outdated and America should leave (ask them). The Warsaw Pact was a reaction to NATO, and the first fell. Whats the purpose of NATO today?
See my earlier comment.

Given that paleoconservatives are only a small portion of Americans. The Democrats/Liberals voters in America like NATO more than the Republicans/"conservatives" because its internationalist organization.
The matter of elites is different. Both Republican and Democrats still largely support it.

I totally agree with you.

Warsaw Pact was made in reaction of creation of NATO, CETO & Co. So technically it's the West's fault if the cold war started. (but again, biaised Western History & propaganda will tell you that Communists started the cold war )

And Republicans Or Democrats, their most likely the same "party".

Strangely enough, Democrats are acting very weirdly these days (anti-semitic behavior, anti-Russian propaganda etc ...)

Democrats are like modern day "Nazis": supporting fully the West, funding terrorism, killing innocents.

Only misery comes from them.

[The Lawspeaker]

I totally agree with you.

Warsaw Pact was made in reaction of creation of NATO, CETO & Co. So technically it's the West's fault if the cold war started. (but again, biaised Western History & propaganda will tell you that Communists started the cold war )

And Republicans Or Democrats, their most likely the same "party".

Strangely enough, Democrats are acting very weirdly these days (anti-semitic behavior, anti-Russian propaganda etc ...)

Democrats are like modern day "Nazis": supporting fully the West, funding terrorism, killing innocents.

Only misery comes from them.

So because you're an obviously non-intelligent person: you hate a club and someone doesn't want you to be in it and you get angry because someone doesn't want you to be in the club.

You must be some sort of idiot: if you don't want to be in a bloody club and neither do your politicians - have them get out.

[Dragoon]

I totally agree with you.

Warsaw Pact was made in reaction of creation of NATO, CETO & Co. So technically it's the West's fault if the cold war started. (but again, biaised Western History & propaganda will tell you that Communists started the cold war )

And Republicans Or Democrats, their most likely the same "party".

Strangely enough, Democrats are acting very weirdly these days (anti-semitic behavior, anti-Russian propaganda etc ...)

Democrats are like modern day "Nazis": supporting fully the West, funding terrorism, killing innocents.

Only misery comes from them.

Well im no Socialist or Commie

but its strange how these Westerners who never experienced being under the Reds whine the most about communism
and what a threat it is. Maybe they think its 1970.

The same with the Holocaust stuff. The amount of people they lost is minimal, yet its the West which makes the most noise about it. Remember da Jews! Makes movie after movie.