Vojnik's FTDNA new results

[Vojnik]

Possibly. His mother was from Prilep I believe and he identified as Macedonian with Bulgarian ancestry.

He was a weird troll character.

[Crn Volk]

He was a weird troll character.

Yeah he permabanned me at one point.

[Vojnik]

Yeah he permabanned me at one point.

Forgot he was even a mod haha.

[pelikarski]

I don't think so. Only typical for Bulgarians with Aegan Macedonian ancestry, as Pelikarski stated. His Eastern European is very low for a South Slav and I think average Bulgarian would score more.
BTW, Macedonian Greeks would score similar amount.

Nice result, congratulations!

I wonder who has more East Europe on average Macedonians or Bulgarians.

The Bulgarian ethnic territory is much larger than the current borders of Bulgaria. Bulgarians from Aegeean Macedonia are mostly native Balkanite and would score low Eastern European. The reverse, Bulgarians from Bessarabia will score very high Eastern European.
Bulgarians users here are not into genetics, I also am not knowledgeable about genetics, there's an user Jizo on anthroscape, who posts on anthroscape but not here.

Bulgarians from Shopluk, SW Bulgaria, autosomally score similar to Serbs having more East Euro than S.Euro
http://dnagenealogy-bg.org/mybb/showthread.php?tid=576

By the way, if you think your Slavic outweight your native ancestry is superior, you're kind of retard, considering pre-Slavic balkanic populations had civilizations, laws, functioning cities. Slavs at that time were...ehh

[Mingle]

Yeah he permabanned me at one point.

Really?? What was the reason for that?

Btw, I think I remember hearing someone (you?) on this forum say he was not really Macedonian.

I also remember Dusan saying Macedonians were ethnic Bulgarian when he first joined but then suddenly had a complete 180 view.

[Crn Volk]

Really?? What was the reason for that?

Btw, I think I remember hearing someone (you?) on this forum say he was not really Macedonian.

I also remember Dusan saying Macedonians were ethnic Bulgarian when he first joined but then suddenly had a complete 180 view.

Yeah he changed ethnicities like people change their socks.

He banned me because I didn’t agree with him basically.

[Mingle]

Yeah he changed ethnicities like people change their socks.

He banned me because I didn’t agree with him basically.

What was the disagreement about if you don't mind saying?

So basically, he actually was from Macedonia but he would sometimes pretend to be other ethnicities?

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[Crn Volk]

What was the disagreement about if you don't mind saying?

So basically, he actually was from Macedonia but he would sometimes pretend to be other ethnicities?

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He was a troll. In the end he said he didn't really strongly identify with any ethnicity - kind of like a Communist.
The disagreements were about Macedonians being Bulgarians and how Macedonia shouldn't exist as a country. I constantly refuted his arguments, which he didn't like. He finally got to be Mod and used his powers to ban me. Loki unbanned me about a year later.

[TrulyBliss]

Hmm, that's interesting.
Do you have any results of Macedonians from Nort-West of Macedonia?
If there are results of Macedonians from those region without any 'East Euro' than it seems that this 'South East Euro' category is heavily based upon results of Albanian people.
Obviously, Macedonians from North West Macedonia, would be closer related to Albanians than Macedonians of other region hence results without 'East Euro'!

Btw, all my great grandparents come from very small region around Gevgelija, and two small towns now in Greece but still very close to the border, with only but one great grandparent from East Thrace!

You can use my results as an example. Golloborda region is bilingual. The Gollobordan villages in Macedonia in large part are Orthodox and identify as Macedonian. I come from this bilingual area myself. Although I have to tell you that I don't think my FTDNA results are accurate at all. ALl over the place. I would need to literally be 1/4 Western European for that to make sense, which I'm not.

You mind sharing your 23andme results? as well as vojnik?

West and NorthWest Macedonians will have similar results. 0-30% range is normal divergence for any population I think. Compare Italy, Greece, Serbia. They have far more divergence.

[TrulyBliss]

If you have samples from 1 AD then id like to see them. As for now Im assuming that the ancient inhabitants of Albania were Mycenaean like with a WHG shift, which seems to be reasonable. Im also a proponent of an extra wave of steppe like admixture into the Balkans which would have introduced the Dorians into Greece and certainly shifted proto-Albanians north as well. After that, we cant deny that the Slavs had a impact, some regions affected more than others. Perhaps Dibra preserved itself more than others, id like to see some gedmatch kits from there if you have any.

I can show you my fathers and Dibrans father k36. Dibran was a member here. Kelmendasi also has his uncles results, if he wants to share for comparison. As I told Aspar, I don't think my FTDNA results are accurate. These two are from 23andme.

My fathers


Dibrans father