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    Quote Originally Posted by Musa Kesedžija View Post
    get back to kitchen!

    Womans are not suited for politics.

    Go... bake some bread and cookies...
    I'm going, kiss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    LMAO Robocop the great authority. Please don't make me laugh, I am pretty sure he never said that and you made that up. He said they are culturally different, which is true, genetically and ethnically there is absolutely no difference.
    I said that they are different in culture, mentality and of different origin, and he just said YES.

    He is descandant of noble Šubić family, so his opinion is matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    I said that they are different in culture, mentality and of different origin, and he just said YES.

    He is descandant of noble Šubić family, so his opinion is matters.
    It means Šubić tribe belonged to I2a1b, isn't it ? If he really is one of descendants he need to do a real Y DNA test as far as possible !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    It means Šubić tribes belonged to I2a1b, isn't it ?
    Yes, if he is really descendant Šubić family. He should have evidence for such claim.

    If he is really descendant of Šubići than he has Nemanjići blood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jelena_Nemanjić_Šubić

    Some Serbian families claim that they are descendants of Nemanjići.
    Last known Nemanjići by male line died in early 15th century. Probably descendants of Nenanjići by paternal line exist today among Serbs and surrounding nations. Because rulers from Nenanjić dinasty probably had children autside of marriages, except that some lines of Nemanjići which did not became rulers maybe survive to this day. DNA test of from the bones of some ruler from Nemanjić dinasty would solve that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Yes, if he is really descendant Šubić family. He should have evidence for such claim.

    Some Serbian families claim that they are descendants of Nemanjići.
    Last known Nemanjići by male line died in early 15th century. Probably descendants of Nenanjići by paternal line exist today among Serbs and surrounding nations. Because rulers from Nenanjić dinasty probably had children autside of marriages, except that some lines of Nemanjići which did not became rulers maybe survive to this day. DNA test of from the bones of some ruler from Nemanjić dinasty would solve that.
    I agree. When will your church allow bones of Nemanjići to be genotyped ?
    Outside Croatia exist many descendants of our important noble families, especially in Hungary. For example, Stears father's brother wife is descended from Jelačić family (not sure on which side), and there are other people like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    I agree. When will your church allow bones of Nemanjići to be genotyped ?
    Outside Croatia exist many descendants of our important noble families, especially in Hungary. For example, Stears father's brother wife is descended from Jelačić family (not sure on which side), and there are other people like that.
    If Nemanjići were I2a1 PH908 (which is possible) can we agree that they are Bosnian royal family since majority of I2a1 live in Bosnia?

    Imagine then Bosnian Catholics claiming him as Croat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musa Kesedžija View Post
    If Nemanjići were I2a1 PH908 (which is possible) can we agree that they are Bosnian royal family since majority of I2a1 live in Bosnia?

    Imagine then Bosnian Catholics claiming him as Croat.
    I don't know, Kotromanići were mixed with both Croatian (like Šubići) and Serbian nobility (including Nemanjići) but trough female line.
    Btw, I don't claim Tvrtko as Croat since he was Bosnian King, but the fact his name and most similar variants of surname (like Kotrmanović) exist only among Croats today, should tell you something.

    There is a theory Bosnian royal family had German(ic) origin, not sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    I agree. When will your church allow bones of Nemanjići to be genotyped ?
    Outside Croatia exist many descendants of our important noble families, especially in Hungary. For example, Stears father's brother wife is descended from Jelačić family (not sure on which side), and there are other people like that.
    I don't know. I hope it will be one day.

    A lot of Serbian nobility when Ottomans arrived migrated to Hungary, Vojvodina, Transylvania or converted to Islam.
    In eastern Bosnia there is muslim village Brankovići https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brankovići_(Rogatica) and of course muslim from that village have surname Branković. They are descendants of Serbian noble family Branković and in village there are tombstones from 15th century on cyrillic.
    Part of family Branković migrated to Syrmia after fall of Serbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuk_Grgurević
    In 17th century there was Brankovići in Banat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Đorđe_Branković_(count)
    Serbian noble family Jakšić as many other noble families migrated to Banat after the fall of Serbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakšić_noble_family

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    I don't know. I hope it will be one day.

    A lot of Serbian nobility when Ottomans arrived migrated to Hungary, Vojvodina, Transylvania or converted to Islam.
    In eastern Bosnia there is muslim village Brankovići https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brankovići_(Rogatica) and of course muslim from that village have surname Branković. They are descendants of Serbian noble family Branković and in village there are tombstones from 15th century on cyrillic.
    Part of family Branković migrated to Syrmia after fall of Serbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuk_Grgurević
    In 17th century there was Brankovići in Banat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Đorđe_Branković_(count)
    Serbian noble family Jakšić as many other noble families migrated to Banat after the fall of Serbia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakšić_noble_family
    Did any of these Serbian noble families descendants tested their YDNA ?

    My neighbour in Rijeka is Bosnian muslim from Tuzla who has surname Gusić, which are Croat nobles from Lika originally. I will try to talk him into taking DNA test

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    Did any of these Serbian noble families descendants tested their YDNA ?

    My neighbour in Rijeka is Bosnian muslim from Tuzla who has surname Gusić, which are Croat nobles from Lika originally. I will try to talk him into taking DNA test
    We don't know for their descendants because they migrated to Hungary and some of them later to Russia. When Ottomans took part of Hungary 1526 and Banat 1552 some Serbian noble families migrated together with Hungarians in northern and western Hungary and later assimilated in Hungarian nation. Some of them migrated to Russia and assimilated there. Some which stayed under the Ottoman rule became peasant and in time lost conscience of noble origin.

    This guy claim that he is descendant of Serbian noble family Crnojević https://www.kurir.rs/vesti/drustvo/1...anko-crnojevic from branch which converted to Islam. He conveted to Orthodxy and took name Stanko Crnojević, same name as his ancestor which converted to Islam +500 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skenderbeg_Crnojević

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crnojević_noble_family

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