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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Kruševo R1b and I2a1 are "on par" they are both around 20% and that's expected.

    That is AMAZING!

    R1b and I2 are major Lepenski Vir and Vinča Haplogroups

    That shows that Vlachs have Genetic continuity since Very long time, now assimilated into various Balkan nations and survived as minor communities (those who refused assimilation or are not yet assimilated).

    R1a among the Vlachs is also present but only in Dacia mostly.
    Wrong.

    Kruševo Aromanians are 18,6% I2a-Din, and 27,9% R1b (eastern brances 18,6% + western brances 9,3%).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Wrong.

    Kruševo Aromanians are 18,6% I2a-Din, and 27,9% R1b (eastern brances 18,6% + western brances 9,3%).
    What do you wanna say?

    that I2 came from Moscow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    What do you wanna say?

    that I2 came from Moscow?
    I want to say that Aromanians have more R1b than I2a.

    Until a couple a days ago you claim that R1b and R1a are non-European Asiatic barbarians, which means that Aromanians are more Asiatic R1 barbarians than real Vlachs I2a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    I want to say that Aromanians have more R1b than I2a.
    Until a couple a days aga you claim that R1b and R1a are non-European Asiatic barbarians, which means that Aromanians are more Asiatic R1 barbarians than real Vlachs U2a.
    Well I still claim that I2 is the oldest European and Balkan haplogroup and that's confirmed by all geneticists.

    We first colonized Balkan and Europe then others Came.

    R1b, J2, E1b, R1a came AFTER I2... many years after I2.

    Also most of R1b lived in Eastern Europe and Germany before they became a majority in Europe.

    Keep in mind that I2 was major haplogroup in Spain and France.

    Therefore It is reasonable to connect major R1b movements to Barbarian invasions, that being said... that doesn't mean they were not present in Spain, Gaul, Balkans before that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    Fucking liar, there were never any Aromanian speakers in Croatia, ever. And some Vlach groups have more R1a than other markers, does it make it native ?

    I hate those dirty wog Balkanites such as yourself, trying to associate our real South Slavs with you.
    Please, explain this:
    The term Vlachs (Croatian: Vlasi) was initially used in medieval Croatian and Venetian history for a Romance-speaking pastoralist community, called "Vlachs" and "Morlachs", inhabiting the mountains and lands of the Croatian Kingdom and the Republic of Venice (Venetian Dalmatia) from the early 14th century. By the end of the 15th century they were highly assimilated with the Slavs and lost their language or were at least bilingual, while some communities managed to preserve and continue to speak their language (Istro-Romanians).

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Moldovano View Post
    Please, explain this:
    Western Roman Empire was shut down in Roman Dalmatia (Bosnia + Significant portion of Croatia) in 480 A.D. (Julius Nepos)

    How does she think that Julius Nepos was the only Latin in Dalmatia? or there were hundreds of thousands Romans living there

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Moldovano View Post
    Please, explain this:
    Istro-Romanians are not Aromanians from Balkans, they are medieval Romanians from Transylvania and they speak arhaic Romanian language.
    Morlachs were Slavic speakers (mostly orthodox Serbs and some Catholic Croats) who lived sheperd lifestyle, but never Romance.

    Unlike southern Balkans Croatia never had contact with Aromanian population.

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    Istro Romanians




    As you can see they don't look like Balkan Vlachs at all, but mostly norid/dinaric and alpine/Borreby with lot of light eyes. Their villages are close to my city.
    In Transylvania such faces are easy to find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    Istro-Romanians are not Aromanians from Balkans, they are medieval Romanians from Transylvania and they speak arhaic Romanian language.
    Morlachs were Slavic speakers (mostly orthodox Serbs and some Catholic Croats) who lived sheperd lifestyle, but never Romance.

    Unlike southern Balkans Croatia never had contact with Aromanian population.
    If a slavic group of people have shepherd lifestyle, and practice transhumance, especially in the Balkans, then with highly probability on the origin they are vlachs, no matter if they forgot their native language. This type of lifestyle is not slavic at all. Same thing happened with vlachs who lived in Western Ukraine, South Poland, Slovakia and Eastern Czech (Moravia Region), they was assimilated very early, in XIV-XVI centuries, and lost their identity. Vlachs, no matter where they lived, in Balkans, or in such North places like Moravia, they always had a very monolithic culture and lifestyle.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    As you can see they don't look like Balkan Vlachs at all, but mostly norid/dinaric and alpine/Borreby with lot of light eyes. Their villages are close to my city.
    In Transylvania such faces are easy to find.
    Dinaric, alpine, and CM are most common phenotypes between vlachs since Early Middle Ages, no matter where they lived, in Balkans, or in more northern places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Moldovano View Post
    If a slavic group of people have shepherd lifestyle, and practice transhumance, especially in the Balkans, then with highly probability on the origin they are vlachs, no matter if they forgot their native language. This type of lifestyle is not slavic at all. Same thing happened with vlachs who lived in Western Ukraine, South Poland, Slovakia and Eastern Czech (Moravia Region), they was assimilated very early, in XIV-XVI centuries, and lost their identity. Vlachs, no matter where they lived, in Balkans, or in such North places like Moravia, they always had a very monolithic culture and lifestyle.
    People adopt to new surroundings. Dalmatia and Herzegovina are highly harsh and infertile regions with thin soil where agriculture is impossible except in few microlocations.
    It has low vegetation and mostly stone. They has better soil in middle ages but it i still far from one Ukraine.





    Another proof how newcomers adjusted to new surroundings are early medieval Croatian churches, which are Slavic without any doubt. White Croats in Ukraine and Poland built in wood, but in Dalmatia wood is scarce so they switched to stone.



    Dinaric, alpine, and CM are most common phenotypes between vlachs since Early Middle Ages, no matter where they lived, in Balkans, or in more northern places.
    If you look how Balkan Vlachs look like, they have very high mediterranid component which is absent in Istro-Romanians. They are also darker and more gracile in features.

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