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    Having been born in 1982 and being the child of parents who spent most of their lives under the prospect that "The Bomb" could be dropped at any moment, my perceptions of the Eastern Block are heavily colored by that moment in time (even more so during the 1990s when the only real things you heard about the East were about economic collapse, prostitution alongside the road, war (Yugoslavia !) and crime (gangs of Romanian, Hungarian, Polish and Russian gangsters making their way here).

    So, needless to say, my views of the East were (and are !) not very positive. Still: what we see here in the West is an obscene nationalism ( compared to which, our Western versions are pretty rational -- Russia and Hungary come to mind) -- while, from our perception: having nothing to be proud of with a high amount of poverty, crime, social degradation such as alcohol abuse, drug abuse and corruption and an appalling health situation (HIV was/is exploding in much of Eastern Europe). From a Western perception, their nationalism is just a plaster to keep a festering wound from erupting (in other words: from them demanding the same progress we started demanding in 1848 and an end to their almost mediaeval backwardness). Compared to them, we're very civilized. We have our problems, but we can deal with them.

    Now on from the 1990s. The 2010s are an interesting period: the problems that plague the East are still there. Now what has changed ? It's the West that is slowly falling to pieces. Years of mismanagement have reduced our own living standards to not much better than they were during the 1990s. Our freedoms ? Eroded ? Our politics ? Not much better than in the East. As for the East ? They can paint a few buildings but, apart from Poland and Estonia, they are still where they used to be.

    I wonder why ? Is it a social structure ? Is it the same social structure that is now pushing us down ? Or is it the fact that the Easterners had the hardcore version of the same communism, that had infested our education system, our media, our government by the late 1960s and early 1970s and that only begins to show its face now ? While the Easterners are still plagued by the same apparatchiks that had held them back for over half a century ? Questions questions.



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    Real Europe = East Eutope, you western cucks are migration supporters, liberals, marxists you are a traitors of Europe. You westernes brought millions of blacks, arabs, asians into Europe, shame on you cuck.

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    I think a very important detail may be left further in history: institutions. Whereas much of Western Europe (particularly Britain, the Netherlands, Germany, Denmark, Sweden, Norway and even an Eastern country like Poland) may have (one of the first liberal constitutions on the planet !) may have a history of democratic institutions in one way or the other (from elected parliaments and monarchs ruling by charter and constitution in one country, to water boards maintained by nobles and peasants alike, guilds, free charter cities and town councils in the other, much of Eastern Europe seems to lack that one entirely. There it was always a tyrant, a Czar, a distant Sultan or a, just as distant, Emperor in Vienna that called the shots. The locals had to pay and obey. In much of the West, that was different. Even though the power of the Kings of France was large, his was still curtailed by the States-General of his clergy and noblemen. It may have something to do with the fact that many Kings would have needed to loan money from a merchant class who then wanted some real influence on the King's policies (Poland's connections to the Hanseatic League may have something to do with Poland's role as a general outlier in Eastern Europe).

    Take for instance the Czechs and Slovaks, who were lorded over from Vienna, or the Hungarians who were once the Sultan's vassals but later on became the Emperor's partner in crime. Romania, whose entire history was one of being under someone's boot. The same goes for the Bulgarians or much of former Yugoslavia having the same tragic tradition. What they got out of it, was little, and most of that came from the Imperial Regime and their cronies. When they became independent, some, like Czechoslovakia, surged ahead (becoming one of Europe's wealthiest countries by 1930) but they did so at the backs of (and at the expense of) minorities while others like Hungary or Romania fell back into complete chaos and tyranny shortly after independence. Let's compare this to another country that became independent just before WWI (in 1905, to be exact): Norway. Norway had been a colony of both Denmark and later Sweden but surged ahead after independence: setting up the same constitution and continuing the same institutions its overlords had once used. But not to oppress the people, but to be the state machinery of an independent nation. The same went for Iceland in 1944. They are functioning democracies through and through. What went wrong in the East, I wonder ?

    This leads me to conclude that, for Eastern European countries to be successful, they either need to have adopted the Western ways (which cannot be adopted, they have to be ingrained and, in the case of countries like Poland, are centuries old and run concurrent to our own traditions) or they need large Western minorities to do the hard slog for them. Which is, perhaps, what some Eastern European tyrants now try to achieve: luring Westerners in that could have helped their own countries.
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    I find it fascinating how an Easterner cannot give an interesting answer to it. You're proving the point I was trying to make: an obscene nationalism in order to mask your own problems. This is why the East will never change.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    I find it fascinating how an Easterner cannot give an interesting answer to it. You're proving the point I was trying to make: an obscene nationalism in order to mask your own problems. This is why the East will never change.
    Yes East Europe will never change we will stay nationalist, traditionalist, and we live in our beautiful pure white countries. You liberal castrated westernes will change very fast, you became Islamic soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agyullámtörő View Post
    Real Europe = East Eutope, you western cucks are migration supporters,
    Funny, taking account 10% of Hungarian population is Gypsy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agyullámtörő View Post
    liberals, marxists you are a traitors of Europe.
    Oh my God, Eastern Europeans calling us marxists...

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    You westernes brought millions of blacks, arabs, asians into Europe, shame on you cuck.
    Hungarian Soros did

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    Hmm yes. One would almost forget that Soros was an Hungarian. He is based in America, so yes.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Hmm yes. One would almost forget that Soros was an Hungarian. He is based in America, so yes.
    Not an ethnic one though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleitus View Post
    Not an ethnic one though.
    Still. The Hungarian Jews were more integrated with Hungarian culture than many migrants here will ever be. So he must have taken up a good dose of dismantling societies in the old AH-tradition. Let us not forget that the AH-Empire was a veritable European Union in itself.



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