Mediterranids or Alpinids? Which one is taller overall?

[cyberlorian]

I am not so sure.

Please discuss.

[Silver Lining]

In virtually every text, it's Alpines. Spain and Portugal is short, way under most of the Central European Alpine regions. But it depends. French Alpines are often quite short, North African Meds taller.

[Zroota]

Alpines are shorter in most cases, except for the Asiatic ones.

[Fibonacci]

Alpines are shorter in most cases, except for the Asiatic ones.

Asiatic alpines are short too. The general look is short and stocky. Like Neanderthals

[Rædwald]

Meds I think, but I would say the average of both groups is closer than you might think.

[Ripuarian]

I am not so sure.

Please discuss.

Rheinland-Palatinate has the highest concentration of Mediterranean types in Germany (excluding German-Jews of course, but that goes without question) it is also perhaps the shortest region only approximating the French mean (1.74-1.77cm) in stature. The relative frequency of the Mediterranean type in parts of Southwest Germany is linked to an elevated concentration of Neolithic settlement along the fertile Rhein.

So there lies an example of a population in a significantly West-Alpinid zone having relativly shorter stature possibly because of admixture from Mediterranean Neolitics.

However such a relationship can not be universaly drawn as the older, more robust Mediterraneans such as Atlanto-Mediterranean or its Eastern extension Proto-Iranid can easily exceed the pure West-Alpinid in mean stature.

It could really go either way depending on how Mixed the Alpine and Mediterrean Elements being compared are and what type of Alpine or Mediterranean, but if you were to take a weighted average of all relativly stable populations of Alpine and Mediterranean you would probably find that Mediterraneans are slightly Taller. This is because there is greater height variation among Mediterraneans and Taller variations of Mediterranean that can be seen as mostly unmixed are more widespread than taller variations of Alpine that can also be considered mostly unmixed.

[cyberlorian]

Rheinland-Palatinate has the highest concentration of Mediterranean types in Germany (excluding German-Jews of course, but that goes without question) it is also perhaps the shortest region only approximating the French mean (1.74-1.77cm) in stature. The relative frequency of the Mediterranean type in parts of Southwest Germany is linked to an elevated concentration of Neolithic settlement along the fertile Rhein.

So there lies an example of a population in a significantly West-Alpinid zone having relativly shorter stature possibly because of admixture from Mediterranean Neolitics.

However such a relationship can not be universaly drawn as the older, more robust Mediterraneans such as Atlanto-Mediterranean or its Eastern extension Proto-Iranid can easily exceed the pure West-Alpinid in mean stature.

It could really go either way depending on how Mixed the Alpine and Mediterrean Elements being compared are and what type of Alpine or Mediterranean, but if you were to take a weighted average of all relativly stable populations of Alpine and Mediterranean you would probably find that Mediterraneans are slightly Taller. This is because there is greater height variation among Mediterraneans and Taller variations of Mediterranean that can be seen as mostly unmixed are more widespread than taller variations of Alpine that can also be considered mostly unmixed.

South Mediterranids, I mean the desert apated Atlanto Mediterranis, are also tall on average I guess.

[Freeroostah]

I find Swiss and Austrians taller than South Italians. In Greece, the pred Alpine Vlach people are way taller than the Med Islander types

Glory to the Alpine Celtic genes!!!

[cyberlorian]

I find Swiss and Austrians taller than South Italians. In Greece, the pred Alpine Vlach people are way taller than the Med Islander types

Glory to the Alpine Celtic genes!!!

Might it be because of the fact that Dinarid impact of Vlachs, Austrians and Swiss is strong? Dinarids are taller on average.

[Freeroostah]

Might it be because of the fact that Dinarid impact of Vlachs, Austrians and Swiss is strong? Dinarids are taller on average.

It could be but the majority of Vlach people have round faces and are more stocky in build. But they would definitely have some Dinaric too