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    Default Armenian Gedmatch result. Closer to Palestinian than Georgian!

    He's from Armenia proper but lives in Russia and comes out similar to Western Armenians. I've always found it interesting that despite sharing borders, Armenians and Georgians don't seem to be closely related.

    # Population Percent
    1 East_Med 39.83
    2 West_Asian 34.58
    3 West_Med 14.23
    4 Red_Sea 6.06
    5 South_Asian 3.22
    6 North_Atlantic 1.55
    7 Oceanian 0.32
    8 Amerindian 0.22

    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Assyrian 3.88
    2 Georgian_Jewish 5.66
    3 Armenian 6
    4 Kurdish_Jewish 6.88
    5 Iranian_Jewish 7.87
    6 Lebanese_Muslim 11.54
    7 Turkish 12.62
    8 Kurdish 13.59
    9 Azeri 13.93
    10 Syrian 14.05
    11 Cyprian 14.36
    12 Lebanese_Druze 14.92
    13 Lebanese_Christian 14.97
    14 Iranian 15.15
    15 Samaritan 16.89
    16 Jordanian 18.38
    17 Palestinian 19.61
    18 Tunisian_Jewish 22.66
    19 Georgian 22.68
    20 Sephardic_Jewish 23.29

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 72.7% Armenian + 27.3% Lebanese_Christian @ 2.27
    2 73.4% Armenian + 26.6% Lebanese_Druze @ 2.82
    3 75.9% Armenian + 24.1% Samaritan @ 2.83
    4 68.6% Assyrian + 31.4% Armenian @ 3.09
    5 54.6% Armenian + 45.4% Kurdish_Jewish @ 3.23
    6 59.4% Armenian + 40.6% Iranian_Jewish @ 3.66
    7 94.9% Assyrian + 5.1% Abhkasian @ 3.68
    8 74.7% Armenian + 25.3% Cyprian @ 3.71
    9 95.4% Assyrian + 4.6% Georgian @ 3.73
    10 98% Assyrian + 2% Sardinian @ 3.74
    11 70.2% Armenian + 29.8% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.84
    12 98.2% Assyrian + 1.8% Ossetian @ 3.85
    13 93.7% Assyrian + 6.3% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.87
    14 99.7% Assyrian + 0.3% French_Basque @ 3.88
    15 99.2% Assyrian + 0.8% Balkar @ 3.88
    16 99.4% Assyrian + 0.6% North_Ossetian @ 3.88
    17 99.4% Assyrian + 0.6% Adygei @ 3.88
    18 99.2% Assyrian + 0.8% Cyprian @ 3.88
    19 100% Assyrian + 0% South_Italian @ 3.88
    20 100% Assyrian + 0% Afghan_Pashtun @ 3.88

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    Armenians are genetically distinct from Georgians because modern "Armenia" was formed to give the Armenians a place to go as consolation for the genocide they faced. The original Armenian homeland was much further south.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Armenians are genetically distinct from Georgians because modern "Armenia" was formed to give the Armenians a place to go as consolation for the genocide they faced. The original Armenian homeland was much further south.

    I think modern Armenia was part of historical Armenia, there is many old Armenian churches in modern Armenia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Armenians are genetically distinct from Georgians because modern "Armenia" was formed to give the Armenians a place to go as consolation for the genocide they faced. The original Armenian homeland was much further south.

    Armenians have always shared borders with Georgians, even if historically the majority of the population didn't live close to them. Also, Pontic Greeks (who are in fact Hellenized Armenians) are from further north in the Black Sea region and they get similar results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oszkar07 View Post
    I think modern Armenia was part of historical Armenia, there is many old Armenian churches in modern Armenia.
    True, modern Armenia is only a tiny fraction of historical Armenia, but they always lived there. Also, Cilicia was a colony, not part of their original homeland. But it's true that they originated further South, around lake Van.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haider View Post
    True, modern Armenia is only a tiny fraction of historical Armenia, but they always lived there. Also, Cilicia was a colony, not part of their original homeland. But it's true that they originated further South, around lake Van.
    The genetic clustering with Assyrians is interesting , always thought they would be closer to old historical Anatolians possibly even with some distant Greek/Phrygian .
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    Quote Originally Posted by oszkar07 View Post
    The genetic clustering with Assyrians is interesting , always thought they would be closer to old historical Anatolians possibly even with some distant Greek/Phrygian .
    Despite that, Assyrians and Armenians look nothing alike. Probably due to climate. The former are a desert-adapted population and the latter a mountain-adapted one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oszkar07 View Post
    The genetic clustering with Assyrians is interesting , always thought they would be closer to old historical Anatolians possibly even with some distant Greek/Phrygian .
    Despite that, Assyrians and Armenians look nothing alike. Probably due to climate. The former are a desert-adapted population and the latter a mountain-adapted one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haider View Post
    Despite that, Assyrians and Armenians look nothing alike. Probably due to climate. The former are a desert-adapted population and the latter a mountain-adapted one.
    Northern Iraq is not a Desert lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haider View Post
    Single Population Sharing:

    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Assyrian 3.88
    2 Georgian_Jewish 5.66
    3 Armenian 6
    4 Kurdish_Jewish 6.88
    5 Iranian_Jewish 7.87
    6 Lebanese_Muslim 11.54
    7 Turkish 12.62
    8 Kurdish 13.59
    (...)
    But you can see that this is not a genetically typical Armenian because distance to Armenian reference is 6 and he is closer to Assyrians and Georgian Jews than to typical Armenians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Armenians are genetically distinct from Georgians because modern "Armenia" was formed to give the Armenians a place to go as consolation for the genocide they faced. The original Armenian homeland was much further south.

    Here is the data on Armenian population - by region - before WW1:

    1. Russian Empire:

    Erivan* - 441,000
    Elisabethpol - 292,188
    Tiflis - 196,189
    Kars - 73,406
    Batumi - 7,120

    *Erivan Governorate is more or less modern Armenia (see the map below):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erivan_Governorate

    2. Ottoman Empire:

    Van - 185,000
    Bitlis - 180,000
    Erzeroum - 215,000
    Diyarbokir - 105,000
    Kharpert - 168,000
    Sivas** - 165,000
    Haleb - 86,085
    Adana - 52,650

    **Sebastia in the map below. Haleb & Adana are Cilician Armenians.

    But this is Armenian data (Turks claim these numbers are too high):

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoma...rchate_records

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tr...Ottoman_Empire

    Turkish data: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1914_p...Ottoman_Empire





    Quote Originally Posted by oszkar07 View Post
    I think modern Armenia was part of historical Armenia, there is many old Armenian churches in modern Armenia.
    Yes, see the data I posted above. Modern Armenia was mostly in the Russian Empire before WW1. Armenians were distributed ca. 50/50 between Russian Empire and Ottoman Empire.
    Last edited by Peterski; 07-14-2018 at 06:58 AM.

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