Urheimat and migrations of turkic people(against both turanist and steppist theory)

[Joso]

I checked which northern Asian languages sound as guttural and harsh as Kazakh and came to a conclusion that harshness comes from paleo-Siberian languages ( Ket, Chukchi). So it seems that proto-Turkic is a hybrid of paleo-Siberian and Mongolic languages. Mongolian sounds different from Turkic but still there are similar intonations.

Ket people were predominantly haplogroup Q. Paleo-Siberians mixed with Mongolic/Tungusic people ( haplogroups C and N).



Chukchi



Inuit language from Eastern Canada

very interesting

[Ryuk]

There's no such word in the hungarian language You mean "tenger"?

Yes,sorry for wrong spelling.Still close to the right spelling.

[Yaglakar]

One of the recorded terms in Chinese chronicles I posted earlier (among many others like qiŋraq, qurğaq, orun, etc - one has only to go through the list) is "Taŋri" meaning sky, which ultimately comes from Chinese Tien (celestial/sky). In old Turkic Taŋri evolved into Täŋri. Mongolian equivalent "Tenger" is not present in the records. Given that numerous dairy terms and titulature in proto-Turkic come from Indo-European, proto-Turks must have adopted equestrian lifestyle from Saka like peoples and were probably under some kind of vassalage before their ultimate expansion towards north (south Siberia and Altai) and west (Central Asia).

[Ryuk]

One of the recorded terms in Chinese chronicles I posted earlier (among many others like qiŋraq, qurğaq, orun, etc - one has only to go through the list) is "Taŋri" meaning sky, which ultimately comes from Chinese Tien (celestial/sky). In old Turkic Taŋri evolved into Täŋri. Mongolian equivalent "Tenger" is not present in the records. Given that numerous dairy terms and titulature in proto-Turkic come from Indo-European, proto-Turks must have adopted equestrian lifestyle from Saka like peoples and were probably under some kind of vassalage before their ultimate expansion towards north (south Siberia and Altai) and west (Central Asia).

The word teNri did not come from Chinese.
İt was from word teN=equal,equality just like arabic word qadr(equality)>qadir(forcefull,also one of the name of God)
Ultimately word teN came from word teg=similar,like,equality
Also primary meaning of teNri is god in all turkic languages,meaning sky secondary term and primary word for sky in turkic languages is köök, also mean blue.

Dairy and pastoralist terms in proto turkic are all native words,even altaists agree that most terms are indigenous ,so-called İE loanwords not found in proto level only later branches have them.I'il explain in detail later.

[mutabor]

The haplogroup Q is Turkic, American Indian and Mongol marker:

"Haplogroup Q is thought to have originated in Central Asia or North Asia during of shortly after the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM, 26,000 to 19,000 years ago). Q descends from haplogroup P, which is also the ancestor of haplogroups R1a and R1b. Haplogroup Q quickly split into two main branches: Q1a and Q1b. The northern Q1a tribes expanded over Siberia as the climate warmed up after the LGM. Some Q1a crossed the still frozen Bering Strait to the American continent some time between 16,500 and 13,000 years ago. Q1b tribes stayed in Central Asia and later migrated south towards the Middle East.
Many of clades of haplogroup Q1a are believed to have been brought by the Huns, the Mongols and the Turks, who all originated in the Altai region and around modern Mongolia. Haplogroup Q has been identified in Iron Age remains from Hunnic sites in Mongolia by Petkovski et al. (2006) and in Xinjiang by Kang et al. (2013). Modern Mongols belong to various subclades of Q1a, including by order of frequency Q1a2a1c (L330), Q1a1a1 (M120), Q1a1b (M25) and Q1a2a2 (YP4004)."
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.shtml

Haplogroup C is also mongol marker:

Yes. Turkic language is a mix of Tungusic Evenki language ( haplogroup C) and peoples of haplogroup Q. Even faces of Tungusic peoples are similar to faces of Kazakhs.

Evenki Tungusic language ( haplogroup C). BTW it doesn't sound like Mongolian language. It sounds closer to Turkic language.



Ket people, Chukchi, Eskimo-Inuit languages ( haplogroup Q) have similar sounding which is also close to Turkic language.

Chukchi language

[mutabor]

Tungusic peoples ( territory in red) haplogroup C.

[Ryuk]

Hi, everybody

I noticed two errors in the articles I share.

1-)Armuti(maple) in Chuvash is an loanword from tatar.The word is ultimately an loan from the word Middle persian ūrmōt (maple).
Otherhand,common turkic ermen(maple) indeed has a clear turkic root er-(grow,reach).
example;erük(plum)

2-)Chuvash word urapa(whell) it is impossible to get from an hypotical proto word araba(car).PBT "b" sound turn to chuvash "v" in word medially.This word a tatar loan.
But word teker(whell),teNil(axle) can reconstructed in PBT level.There must be a car term in PBT but unfortunality this word disappeared.

[Ryuk]

If you find any error, please share them

[Chelubey]

The Hun language is not show the Lir Turkic(oguric) but the Shaz Turkic(common Turkic) feature.

Lir Turkic does not contain the letters Z and SH, but the Hun language contains them.

Dengizik>common turkic teNiz(Sea) but oguric teNiR>hungarian tenir(Sea)

Kamosh>a hun drink from CT kïmïz(kumys) but oguric or PBT kïmïR>mongolian kimir(kumys)

Also Hun leader "Munchak"- jewel (from Shaz Turkic).
You can also ignore opinions of "leading Russian turkologists and altaists" (Dybo and Co). There are no people in their team who speak Japanese, Korean,Evenk).
Leading turkologist Dybo does not speak any Turkic dialect.
Critical article Vovin on their work.
https://www.academia.edu/6345901/The...ic_controversy
This is a forum where linguists are shocked by the quality of the work(EDAL) of this team.
http://aluarium.net/forum/thread-383.html

[Yaglakar]

Anna Dybo is a prominent scholar. Her work is acknowledged and valued worldwide. The article that OP cites has not even been published, "merdiven" work. Chinese and Indo-European loanwords in proto-Turkic and hence Bulgaric clearly lay out the map for us Gansu-Ordos region (close to Mongolic peoples) with consequent assimilation of Indo-European Tagar, Afanasievo and other cultures.