Russian Orthodox Church breaks with Constantinople in row over Ukraine

[Sarmatian]

No Orthodox people will be culturally oppressed under Orthodoxy. If Ukranians feel Ukranian and feel spiritually void as they are practicing Orthodoxy not the Kievan way then that's not what Orthodoxy is about..and quite frankly what Russia has to say in the matter is of little concern to anyone. Let them be.

Okay, if you think it's all about what Ukrainians want I'm not going to argue. If the blessed ignorance keeps you sleeping at night who am I to say against it.

[Georgia]

Bloomberg-“The Eastern Orthodox Church is closer than ever to a schism that would cast Russian President Vladimir Putin in a role similar to that of King Henry VIII when he split the Church of England from Rome in the 16th century. Russia's ambition to be the center of the Orthodox world threatens to end in isolation. But holding back from splitting the church will mean humiliation by the Ukrainians, who have been ruthlessly terrorized by the Russian leader.

On Oct. 11, the Holy Synod of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople took a momentous action for the Orthodox faith in Ukraine. It reinstated two bishops leading Ukrainian splinter churches not recognized by the Moscow Patriarchate to their rank and allowed their followers to take communion with the Church. Now, the clerics must unite their organizations to form an independent, or autocephalous, Ukrainian Orthodox Church, which will be recognized by the Constantinople Patriarchate, disregarding the wishes of Russia, formerly responsible for appointing Ukraine’s official church leaders. The Synod invalidated a document it issued in 1686, granting the Patriarch of Moscow the right to ordain the Metropolitan of Kiev.


If this sounds arcane, it should. The Orthodox Church, with about 300 million faithful worldwide, is steeped in tradition and ritual. The authority of Istanbul-based Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew, who presided over the Synod meeting, rests on Canon 28 of the Council of Chalcedon, which took place in 451 AD, long before the split between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches; it granted the religious leader of “new Rome” -- Constantinople -- powers second to those of the Pope.


Bartholomew, however, has never made a decision as important as this in the almost 27 years since he assumed his post. As “first among equals” among Orthodox religious leaders, the Ecumenical Patriarch has largely played a representative role; his biggest achievement to date was re-establishing close contact with Rome.

In the eyes of the Moscow Patriarchate, Bartholomew had no authority to reinstate the Ukrainian clerics. Metropolitan Hilarion, who heads the Patriarchate’s external affairs department, called it an “intrusion by the Constantinople Patriarchate into the Russian church’s canonical territory.”

There is some merit to that point of view. Bartholomew is acting opportunistically to assert the authority of his office like never before. He’d done nothing for more than 20 years to give Ukraine an independent church. It was Russia’s aggression since 2014 and Western nations’ support for Ukraine that gave the 78-year-old church leader the opening that he is using so ambitiously today.

Moscow responded by cutting off diplomatic relations with the Ecumenical Patriarchate, but there’s a high cost to a complete break. On Oct. 11, Archbishop Clement, a high-ranking cleric in the Ukrainian Orthodox Church that is loyal to Moscow, proposed anathemizing Bartholomew. But that would effectively turn the Russian Church, with more than 100 million believers, into the equivalent of the Church of England, separate from the rest of the Orthodox community.

It’s doubtful that Putin, who has co-opted the power of the church to the service of his neo-imperialist ideology, wants to play Henry VIII, the Tudor monarch who at first was a devout Catholic but then defied Rome’s spiritual authority. The Russian Church’s international reach has been important to the Russian ruler.


Putin has twice visited Mount Athos, the monastic enclave in Greece that is Orthodox Christianity’s holiest place; it’s been fashionable among regime loyalists to assert their Orthodox faith by making a pilgrimage there. Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Prosecutor General Yuri Chaika have done so, along with more than 10,000 other Russians. Athos, though, falls under the jurisdiction of the Constantinople Patriarchate, and it may be lost to Russians after a formal schism, an enormous symbolic defeat for a president intent to project a devout image.

On the other hand, it’s as difficult for Putin as it is for Moscow Patriarch Kirill to accept an independent Ukrainian church blessed by Constantinople. It would go against his oft-repeated assertion that Russians and Ukrainians are one people. And admitting that not Moscow but Istanbul, with only a few hundred Orthodox believers, is the true seat of power of global Orthodoxy would be almost unbearable. Compared to these spiritual wounds, the potential loss of many of the Russian church’s 12,328 parishes in Ukraine, and the income from them, is arguably less catastrophic.

Moscow’s only hope in this lose-lose situation is that Ukrainians will shoot themselves in the foot, as they’ve often done before. To receive autocephaly from the Ecumenical Patriarchate, Ukrainian Christians must unite and select a leader. Whether this will happen depends in part on the two clerics reinstated by the Ecumenical Patriarchate – Filaret, who was excommunicated by the Russian church in 1997 for splitting off the so-called Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kiev Patriarchate, and Metropolitan Makariy, who runs the relatively small Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church.

Filaret has made clear he wants to be in charge of the unification. “We will agree among themselves when we convoke a unification congress,” he said at a news conference. “I plan to call it in the nearest future.” Makariy says he’s for unification but his church won’t simply be swallowed up.

Russia’s best hope is to sow discord and keep priests loyal to Moscow from defecting to the future Ukrainian church. The Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate will likely have to call itself “Russian” once the rival organization gains autocephaly, a handicap in Ukraine, where most people consider Russia an aggressor state.

No matter how hard Russia tries to slow down Ukrainian autocephaly, the damage cannot be fully contained. Even if only 20 percent of Ukrainians and 15 percent of Russians say religion is very important in their lives, the symbolic meaning of the religious demarcation and the real prospect of a schism won’t be lost on much bigger percentages of both countries’ population. This is a war Putin has already lost to some unlikely adversaries, including a tough old cleric in Istanbul.”

[Loki]

Well, I doubt that Putin is directly involved in the split. The Russian Orthodox Church is powerful in its own right, and acts independently from the Russian Government -- although the church is very supportive of the Government and of Putin. But Putin is in no way as involved as what Henry the eighth was in the English church at the time -- he was the head of the church, and had direct influence in its leadership. In fact he was the leader.

[Loki]

It is silly to think the Constantinople Patriarchate is very important anyway, it is merely symbolic. Everyone knows Orthodoxy's real seat is Moscow, and it has been ever since the fifteenth century when the Turks took Constantinople.

[pulstar]

It is silly to think the Constantinople Patriarchate is very important anyway, it is merely symbolic. Everyone knows Orthodoxy's real seat is Moscow, and it has been ever since the fifteenth century when the Turks took Constantinople.

Exactly, the strength of the church is in amount of believers it has, and right now Russian church accounts for majority of Orthodox believers.

[Georgia]

I wonder what's going to happen with the Russian monastery in Mt Athos,which is under the spiritual jurisdiction of the Patriarchate in Constantinople.

[Jana]

Exactly, the strength of the church is in amount of believers it has, and right now Russian church accounts for majority of Orthodox believers.

It is like saying Brazilian church is more important than Italian. It is not. Spiritual and historical Centre of orthodoxy is in Constantinopole and despite Russian efforts Moscow will never hold more weight.

[Loki]

It is like saying Brazilian church is more important than Italian. It is not. Spiritual and historical Centre of orthodoxy is in Constantinopole and despite Russian efforts Moscow will never hold more weight.

No, you can't make that analogy. The Constantinople Patriarchate has only a few thousand members at most... whilst Moscow has millions. Not comparable. The spiritual home of Orthodoxy has shifted to Moscow after the fall of Constantinople. Rome hasn't fallen yet..

I didn't even know there was still an Orthodox Patriarchate in Istanbul. Nobody really knows about it.. it's irrelevant.

[Jana]

No, you can't make that analogy. The Constantinople Patriarchate has only a few thousand members at most... whilst Moscow has millions. Not comparable. The spiritual home of Orthodoxy has shifted to Moscow after the fall of Constantinople. Rome hasn't fallen yet..

It has tradtiton which Moscow does not. This is why their recognition of Ukrainian church caused such huge outrage in Russia. If their actions did not matter, nobody would care but the opposite has happened.

[Loki]

It has tradtiton which Moscow does not. This is why their recognition of Ukrainian church caused such huge outrage in Russia. If their actions did not matter, nobody would care but the opposite has happened.

Irrelevant and insignificant. It's just symbolic, and has now changed. This article's heading is not accurate -- "Putin" and Russia would not be the biggest loser. Constantinople Patriarchate and Ukraine are the biggest losers. They've just lost 100 million Russians... what do they have left? A few thousand in Istanbul? Come on...

Like most anti-Russian propaganda, this article is overblown and exaggerated, and is just nonsensical.