Justinian the Vlach

[Kamal900]

Don't be too harsh on him. Bosnians are legenedary for their stupidity.
Even Russian members who's mother visited Yugoslavia said she heard the stereotype of dumb villagers Bosnians

The Croats should have taken southern Bosnia for themselves. I've heard that Croatian kings were from that region if I'm not mistaken.

[Bosniensis]

You can get a hundred likes by your friends but that won't change the reality.
You are a TurkSlav.

And the meaning of subclades and haplogroups is too complicated for you to understand!

Yes I understand that I2 was the first in Europe during the IceAge, that it developed in Balkans, Italy then conquered most of Europe.

300 B.C. my Ancestor had different clade than mine, 2000 B.C. another one, 4000 B.C etc.. and so forth it mutated 7 times as represented in my signiture

The reason why we had many mutations is because we moved a lot and covered wast territories in Europe. Celts, Illyrians, Thracians were I2a1 and I2a2 people both original clades found in Vinča Serbia and Greece.

You can hate ME, as much as you want, but you also hate and bring lies to your own I2a1 Macedonians (whom you obviously call Slavs)

You are wrong. Those people that like my comments are not my friends but people who agree with me cause I am right and you are wrong.

[Aspar]

Yes I understand that I2 was the first in Europe during the IceAge, that it developed in Balkans, Italy then conquered most of Europe.

300 B.C. my Ancestor had different clade than mine, 2000 B.C. another one, 4000 B.C etc.. and so forth it mutated 7 times as represented in my signiture

The reason why we had many mutations is because we moved a lot and covered wast territories in Europe. Celts, Illyrians, Thracians were I2a1 and I2a2 people both original clades found in Vinča Serbia and Greece.

You can hate ME, as much as you want, but you also hate and bring lies to your own I2a1 Macedonians (whom you obviously call Slavs)

You are wrong. Those people that like my comments are not my friends but people who agree with me cause I am right and you are wrong.

I don't hate anyone, but I don't like two face people who lie and manipulate with the facts.
I-CTS10228 is of Slavic origin, I2a isn't.
You are not I2a but downstream of that one, which is I-CTS10228.
The Macedonians with that subclade, had a Slavic ancestor who passed it on them.
Modern Macedonians are of Slavic and Paleo Balkan origin.

[Bosniensis]

Could Vlachs from Albania and Greece have a more northern origin?

"They, the Vlachs were conquered by Emperor Trajan who had defeated and annihilated them. Their king, named Decebalus, was killed (...). They are, in fact, the so-called Dacians and Bessi who used to live near the Danube and Sava rivers, where now the Serbs live, in inaccessible and inhospitable places (...) And they left the region: some of them spread to Epirus and Macedonia, although the majority of them settled in Hellas."

—Kekaumenos (11th century) - Strategikon

Dacians = The Bravest of Thracians

Niketas Choniates (or Acominatus, 1155–1215 or-16) in his history about Emperor Ioannes Komnenos: "... Shortly after this, he campaigned against the nation of Triballians (whom someone may call Serbians as well).

Triballi, a Thracian people whose earliest known home was the “Triballian plain” (Britannica Encyclopedia)

The Triballi were a Thracian tribe that received influences from Celts, Scythians and Illyrians. (Thraco-Illyrians) as Constantine himself was. (Wikipedia)

[Bosniensis]

I don't hate anyone, but I don't like two face people who lie and manipulate with the facts.
I-CTS10228 is of Slavic origin, I2a isn't.
You are not I2a but downstream of that one, which is I-CTS10228.
The Macedonians with that subclade, had a Slavic ancestor who passed it on them.
Modern Macedonians are of Slavic and Paleo Balkan origin.

I am I2a1b PH908 found predominantly in Dalmatia and Montenegro.

In Vinča and Lepenski Vir I2a1 P37 was found, that is my DIRECT paternal clade as described in my signature.

Another thing, as I already said 8000 B.C. when that clade was found... No other location in Europe was habitable, therefore all I2a1 P37 and ALL clades evolved in that P37 tree is originally from Balkan.

That's undisputed fact.

[Aspar]

I am I2a1b PH908 found predominantly in Dalmatia and Montenegro.

In Vinča and Lepenski Vir I2a1 P37 was found, that is my DIRECT paternal clade as described in my signature.

Another thing, as I already said 8000 B.C. when that clade was found... No other location in Europe was habitable, therefore all I2a1 P37 and ALL clades evolved in that P37 tree is originally from Balkan.

That's undisputed fact.

I2a1 P37 is not your subclade.
PH908 is, and that one is of Slavic origin, passed on you by a Slavic ancestor that came in 7th century AD from Ukraine.

[Aspar]

I am I2a1b PH908 found predominantly in Dalmatia and Montenegro.

In Vinča and Lepenski Vir I2a1 P37 was found, that is my DIRECT paternal clade as described in my signature.

Another thing, as I already said 8000 B.C. when that clade was found... No other location in Europe was habitable, therefore all I2a1 P37 and ALL clades evolved in that P37 tree is originally from Balkan.

That's undisputed fact.

I2a1 P37 is not your subclade.
PH908 is, and that one is of Slavic origin, passed on you by a Slavic ancestor that came in 7th century AD from Ukraine.

[Bosniensis]

I2a1 P37 is not your subclade.
PH908 is, and that one is of Slavic origin, passed on you by a Slavic ancestor that came in 7th century AD from Ukraine.

Herodotus said that Thracians conquered territories all the way up to the Northern Sea



I2 people along the all other haplogroups that lived on that territory had Balkan Autosomal DNA which is why many people (even in Southern Poland and Ukraine) have strong Balkan Admixture cause those are grandchildren of our conquerors.

Do you really think that Thracians, Illyrians (Most Fierce and War-ready people) sit on Balkans doing nothing? NO! They invaded everything north of them!

So yes those I2 you found in Ukraine and Poland came from Balkans, those are Thracians.

[Aspar]

Herodotus said that Thracians conquered territories all the way up to the Northern Sea



I2 people along the all other haplogroups that lived on that territory had Balkan Autosomal DNA which is why many people (even in Southern Poland and Ukraine) have strong Balkan Admixture cause those are grandchildren of our conquerors.

Do you really think that Thracians, Illyrians (Most Fierce and War-ready people) sit on Balkans doing nothing? NO! They invaded everything north of them!

So yes those I2 you found in Ukraine and Poland came from Balkans, those are Thracians.

The oldest subclades of I-CTS10228, the predecessor of PH908, are not found in the Balkans but are found in France and Poland.

[Thracian]

Dacians = The Bravest of Thracians

Niketas Choniates (or Acominatus, 1155–1215 or-16) in his history about Emperor Ioannes Komnenos: "... Shortly after this, he campaigned against the nation of Triballians (whom someone may call Serbians as well).

Triballi, a Thracian people whose earliest known home was the “Triballian plain” (Britannica Encyclopedia)

The Triballi were a Thracian tribe that received influences from Celts, Scythians and Illyrians. (Thraco-Illyrians) as Constantine himself was. (Wikipedia)

Dacians were not bravest Thracian tribe. Bessis were bravest one and Spartacus was a Bessi as well. Bessi tribes were living in Mt. Rhodope. Dacians are remnants of Getaes.