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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Didnt the Moors invade Sardinia though?
    Sardinia was raided by Saracen Arabs from north Africa. I have seen many Arabs get A as a haplogroup, it may be from Arab contact with Africans but it could also be older

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    This haplogroup despite being extremely rare has higher incidence in Central Europe and Western Balkans. By far more than in Iberia, hence why I don't find the Moor hypothesis to be very solid and speculative.

    He tested with 23andMe. I don't have the Raw Data. The guy has light brown hair, is blue eyed and looks Iberian if that makes any difference anyway. I highly doubt by his autosomal results that we would see any significant difference from other locals on Gedmatch runs.

    I do find odd as well that both his Y-DNA and mtDNA are African in origin. What are the chances?
    YDNA: R1b-L21 > DF13 > S1051 > FGC17906 > FGC17907 > FGC17866


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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    I do find odd as well that both his Y-DNA and mtDNA are African in origin. What are the chances?
    Yes just noticed extremely odd. His mtdna might be West African related ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jana View Post
    Yes just noticed extremely odd. His mtdna might be West African related ?
    His mtDNA is West African. His Y-DNA is originally from the Horn of Africa. 23andMe says he is 99.9% European though. Really odd.

    I was even thinking that he could be an extreme rare survivor of some lineage of first humans that inhabited Europe but seems really far fetched considering that both haplogroups are African.
    YDNA: R1b-L21 > DF13 > S1051 > FGC17906 > FGC17907 > FGC17866


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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    His mtDNA is West African. His Y-DNA is originally from the Horn of Africa. 23andMe says he is 99.9% European though. Really odd.

    I was even thinking that he could be an extreme rare survivor of some lineage of first humans that inhabited Europe but seems really far fetched considering that both haplogroups are African.
    I think you are right about his YDNA being native to Europe for long, I did see some A's among ethnic Scandinavians without foreign admixture.
    Remember to have read somewhere there is A lineage only typical for Europe and his might be one of those. mtDNA more likely to be recent African, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    This haplogroup despite being extremely rare has higher incidence in Central Europe and Western Balkans. By far more than in Iberia
    Based on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    This haplogroup despite being extremely rare has higher incidence in Central Europe and Western Balkans. By far more than in Iberia, hence why I don't find the Moor hypothesis to be very solid and speculative.

    He tested with 23andMe. I don't have the Raw Data. The guy has light brown hair, is blue eyed and looks Iberian if that makes any difference anyway. I highly doubt by his autosomal results that we would see any significant difference from other locals on Gedmatch runs.

    I do find odd as well that both his Y-DNA and mtDNA are African in origin. What are the chances?
    23andme is not good at determining haplogroups. Both can be some rare subclades that has been in Europe for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Insuperable View Post
    Based on?
    Based on the map I posted previously with the incidences of this particular haplogroup in Europe. Green dots means from 1 to 20 individuals. Probably each green dot means just 1 individual to be honest, considering how rare it is. So if there is 20 dots that's nothings considering those regions have millions of inhabitants. I think this particular haplogroup doesn't represent even 0.1% of the combined European genepool. That's how rare it is.
    YDNA: R1b-L21 > DF13 > S1051 > FGC17906 > FGC17907 > FGC17866


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    Quote Originally Posted by Viriato View Post
    Based on the map I posted previously with the incidences of this particular haplogroup in Europe. Green dots means from 1 to 20 individuals. Probably each green dot means just 1 individual to be honest, considering how rare it is. So if there is 20 dots that's nothings considering those regions have millions of inhabitants. I think this particular haplogroup doesn't represent even 0.1% of the combined European genepool. That's how rare it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    23andme is not good at determining haplogroups. Both can be some rare subclades that has been in Europe for a long time.
    I thought 23andMe was pretty accurate at predicting your haplogroup, it just doesn't go deeper on subclades.

    I will try to contact him, perhaps he doesn't even realize how rare is haplogroup is. In Anthrogenica I am sure there would be people that would be even interested in funding him a BigY considering how unusual it is.
    YDNA: R1b-L21 > DF13 > S1051 > FGC17906 > FGC17907 > FGC17866


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