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    Quote Originally Posted by nittionia View Post
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    In fact, I am only 25 percent Turkish in terms of ethnicity. The rest is Circassian, Romanian and Iranian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkan View Post
    In fact, I am only 25 percent Turkish in terms of ethnicity. The rest is Circassian, Romanian and Iranian.
    I knew it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkan View Post
    In a way, those kind of people do not have an ethnicity, I think.
    I disagree. They would be a part of ethnic diaspora.

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    No, ethnicity should be distinguished from nationality, in order to prevent ethnic tensions and rivalry in multi-ethnic countries, and having a clearer idea of demographic constitution of the population, assimilation of immigrants, and patriotism of ethnic minorities.

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    It has been collectivly and in general always identified by Ancestry
    and in some indivual cases it was self identified

    For almost all ethnicities i can think of
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    Quote Originally Posted by rein View Post
    I disagree. They would be a part of ethnic diaspora.
    Yes but as member Pulsar said, most people of X ethnic diaspora are not considered as true X in their true homeland either. For example, most Japanese do not consider Japanese Brazilians as Japanese even though most of them can racially pass in Japan. Most probably, it is because they have born and raised abroad and because of their accents as they talk. If we say, common sense plays a role here, they would not be accepted by any ethnicity as a whole. Therefore, they would lack ethnicity in a way. On the other hand, if we say DNA plays the most important role in terms ethnicity, then yes, of course they do have an ethnicity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkan View Post
    Yes but as member Pulsar said, most people of X ethnic diaspora are not considered as true X in their true homeland either. For example, most Japanese do not consider Japanese Brazilians as Japanese even though most of them can racially pass in Japan. Most probably, it is because they have born and raised abroad and because of their accents as they talk. If we say, common sense plays a role here, they would not be accepted by any ethnicity as a whole. Therefore, they would lack ethnicity in a way. On the other hand, if we say DNA plays the most important role in terms ethnicity, then yes, of course they do have an ethnicity.
    I wouldn’t trust what he says.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rein View Post
    I wouldn’t trust what he says.
    Actually he is correct in this manner: For example, most Turks in Turkey do not consider Turks born and raised in Germany as true Turks. One of my Japanese friends told me about Japanese diaspora in Brazil and it is also the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenix View Post
    No, ethnicity should be distinguished from nationality, in order to prevent ethnic tensions and rivalry in multi-ethnic countries, and having a clearer idea of demographic constitution of the population, assimilation of immigrants, and patriotism of ethnic minorities.
    Explain a bit more please?

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    I think that a foreigner can never legitimately assimilate to such an extent that he or she becomes part of the country's ethnicity. But if the foreigner marries local and they have children together, than those children will be a legitimate part of the society. The foreigner can become a citizen but the old country will always be in the back of his mind.



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