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    Default Italians, Jews, Greeks ranked from least/most Near Eastern and North African genetically should be..

    something like this.

    LEAST: North Italy (Piedmont, Liguria, Veneto, etc)
    Northern Greece (Macedonia, Thessaly, Thrace, Epirus)
    Central Italy (Tuscany, Lazio, Marche)
    Peloponnese
    SE Sicily, Mani and Tsakonia
    Central-South Italy (Abruzzo, Molise, Apulia) and Trapani
    Campania, Western Crete and Cyclades Islands
    North Aegean Islands and Dodecanese*
    West/Central Sicily, Central/Eastern Crete, Malta, and Ashkenazim
    Kalymnos/Rhodes*
    NE Sicily/Calabria
    Sephardim
    Cypriots
    MOST: North African and Mizrahi Jews

    After analyzing extensively many DNA results I think this is about right.

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    Northern Greece more northern than Central Italy? SE Sicily more northern than Abruzzo and Molise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Northern Greece more northern than Central Italy? SE Sicily more northern than Abruzzo and Molise?
    Yes to both. SE Sicily has absorbed some NE European/Slavic DNA likely from Greece, and while Central Italy is more "western" than northern Greece, they also have less Northern European.

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    Seems right, I would only question the SE Sicily rank over Abruzzo and Molise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenix View Post
    Seems right, I would only question the SE Sicily rank over Abruzzo and Molise.
    Seems weird to me as well considering that North Greeks score closer to Abruzzo than to SE Sicily
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    Quote Originally Posted by cybernautic View Post
    Seems weird to me as well considering that North Greeks score closer to Abruzzo than to SE Sicily
    Let's see what explications Sikeliot can offer us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenix View Post
    Seems right, I would only question the SE Sicily rank over Abruzzo and Molise.
    The southeast of Sicily has the least Near Eastern input in southern Italy, along with Apulia and additionally has the most evidence of recent (Slavic-admixed) Greek input.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    The southeast of Sicily has the least Near Eastern input in southern Italy, along with Apulia and additionally has the most evidence of recent (Slavic-admixed) Greek input.
    Never heard of this, can you demonstrate with some facts, I thought Sicily was equally MENA influenced, and why would Greeks bring with them Slavic admixture unless they are from North Mainland which less probable than Islanders?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenix View Post
    Never heard of this, can you demonstrate with some facts, I thought Sicily was equally MENA influenced, and why would Greeks bring with them Slavic admixture unless they are from North Mainland which less probable than Islanders?
    All mainland Greek regions have more NE European than southern Italy overall, but Syracuse was an important center for Greek settlement even after Greece had received Slavic input. So any Greek settlement from the mainland after a certain time period would increase the amount of NE European in Sicily.

    As for the Near Eastern, it is lower in southeastern Sicily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    All mainland Greek regions have more NE European than southern Italy overall, but Syracuse was an important center for Greek settlement even after Greece had received Slavic input. So any Greek settlement from the mainland after a certain time period would increase the amount of NE European in Sicily.

    As for the Near Eastern, it is lower in southeastern Sicily.
    I know about Slavic input in mainland Greece, but how could it come to Sicily if most of the Greek settlers were Islanders, and one thing intrigues more: Arabs initiated their conquest at Syracuse, so why would it be less MENA than other parts of Sicily like Palermo?

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