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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    something like this.

    LEAST: North Italy (Piedmont, Liguria, Veneto, etc)
    Northern Greece (Macedonia, Thessaly, Thrace, Epirus)
    Central Italy (Tuscany, Lazio, Marche)
    Peloponnese
    SE Sicily, Mani and Tsakonia
    Central-South Italy (Abruzzo, Molise, Apulia) and Trapani
    Campania, Western Crete and Cyclades Islands
    North Aegean Islands and Dodecanese*
    West/Central Sicily, Central/Eastern Crete, Malta, and Ashkenazim
    Kalymnos/Rhodes*
    NE Sicily/Calabria
    Sephardim
    Cypriots
    MOST: North African and Mizrahi Jews

    After analyzing extensively many DNA results I think this is about right.
    This below looks quite accurate.




    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Yes to both. SE Sicily has absorbed some NE European/Slavic DNA likely from Greece, and while Central Italy is more "western" than northern Greece, they also have less Northern European.

    They have more Northwestern European though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Northern Greece more northern than Central Italy? SE Sicily more northern than Abruzzo and Molise?
    Answer to your questions.


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    based on ph2ter's PCA it's definitely more something like this

    North Italy
    Central Italy - Albanians - Northern Greece
    Peloponnese - Central Greece
    South Italy (Abruzzo, Molise, Apulia)
    South Italy (Campania, Sicily and Calabria)
    Ashkenazim
    Greek Crete, Aegean Islands and Dodecanese
    Sephardim
    Cypriots



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    Quote Originally Posted by kaltar View Post
    based on ph2ter's PCA it's definitely more something like this

    North Italy
    Central Italy - Albanians - Northern Greece
    Peloponnese - Central Greece
    South Italy (Abruzzo, Molise, Apulia)
    South Italy (Campania, Sicily and Calabria)
    Ashkenazim
    Greek Crete, Aegean Islands and Dodecanese
    Sephardim
    Cypriots


    Calabrians are closer to Dodecanese in the above plot and the other Aegean islands are varied. My ranking appears correct. Or at least Calabria/Dodecanese are on par.

    Where I disagree is I do not find most north aegeans any more Near Eastern than Campania. I can show this with Gedmatch. Crete also on that plot is less MENA than Calabria, Dodecanese and Sicily as are many north Aegeans and Cyclades.

    Much of Messina and some Palermo plot with Calabria and Dodecanese too.

    I stand by my opinion.

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    Did you receive my other threads Sikeliot?

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    How much NA influence to South Euros even have? I think other than Iberians, other south Euros have virtually none of it.

    And by Near Eastern, I assume you mean SW Asian, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarLFC View Post
    How much NA influence to South Euros even have? I think other than Iberians, other south Euros have virtually none of it.

    And by Near Eastern, I assume you mean SW Asian, right?
    Sicilians and Maltese also have a little bit of NA admixture. Near Eastern usually means Levantine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Sicilians and Maltese also have a little bit of NA admixture. Near Eastern usually means Levantine.
    This.

    Anyway here are some results. To me it looks like Calabrians and Dodecanese, along with the northeast corner of Sicily, are more Near Eastern than are other south Italians and Aegean islanders.

    Some examples using Eurogenes K15 of the most Near Eastern results I have. In light of that I have revised the list to what may be more appropriate, from least to most:

    North Italy
    Northern Greece
    Central Italy
    Peloponnese
    Abruzzo, Mani and Tsakonia
    Apulia, SE Sicily, and Trapani
    Campania and Cyclades Islands
    North Aegean Islands
    Crete and West-Central Sicily
    NE Sicily, Calabria, and Dodecanese
    Sephardim
    Cypriots
    North African and Mizrahi Jews


    Messina, NE Sicily:
    Spoiler!


    Messina, NE Sicily:
    Spoiler!


    Catania, NE Sicily:
    Spoiler!


    Eastern Palermo province, Sicily:
    Spoiler!


    Palermo/Calabria mix:
    Spoiler!


    Catanzaro, Calabria:
    Spoiler!


    Vibo Valentia, Calabria:
    Spoiler!


    Crotone, Calabria:
    Spoiler!


    Reggio Calabria:
    Spoiler!


    Kastellorizo, Dodecanese, Greece:
    Spoiler!


    Rhodes, Dodecanese, Greece:
    Spoiler!


    Kalymnos, Dodecanese, Greece:
    Spoiler!


    Symi, Dodecanese, Greece:
    Spoiler!

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    Doesn't make sense to group all North Italy together while breaking down all South Italy regions when the former is much more genetically diverse than the latter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
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    It would appear that some AJ's shifted more towards or within Greece. *see Ashkenazi circled.


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