Muslims from Novi Pazar

[Pribislav]

He's from Sjenica, but I don't know if all his ancestry is from there. I recall him saying he had ancestry from Graz (southeast Austria), but that could just be a family myth. He may or may not be fully Albanian autosomally (he doesn't look it but who knows), but most people from his region would be like you said. Did Muslims from Bosnia ever migrate to Serbia or were they all Montenegrins? Do you know why almost all the Muslims in Serbia were from Montenegro?

Native Serbs wich lived in Raška (Sandžak) in th middle age migrated to the north and northwest from 15th to late 17th century. Very few of them stayed there after late 17th century. Few medieval Serbs which stayed in Raška withdrew in monutains and stayed Orthodox, they still live in Raška. But they are minority of total Serbs in Raška, because majority of present day Serbs in Raška arrived from Montenegro and Herzegovina from late 17th to 19th century.

In early 18th century Raška was heavy depopulated due to mass Serbian migrations towards the north. Orthodox Serbs from Montenegro and Herzegovina migrated to Raška on the almost empty land. Some of them converted to Islam and some stayed Orthodox. Those Serbian settlers from Montenbegro/Herzegovina which converted to Islam were mostly in western Sandžak.
Little later of first mass Serbian migration from Montenegro/Herzegovina to Raška, Ottoman brought a lot of Catholic Albanians (Malsors) from northern Albania and they settled to eastern and central Raška (Sanžak). All Malsors converted to Islam for few decades.

Descendants of medieval Raška Serbs exist among Vojvodina, Slavonia, Kordun and Banija Serbs, because Raška Serbs migrated to Vojvodina, Slavonia, Kordun and Banija.
Descendants of medieval Raška Serbs also exist among Hungarian and Croatians. Because some Serbs from Raška which settled to Hungary, Slavonia and some other areas in Croatia converted to Catholicism and became Hungarians and Croatians.

[Kelmendasi]

SanzakWarrior is wrong.
Majority of Muslims from Sjenica and around are of Albanian (Malsor) origin, mostly Kelmendis.
Even if paternal line of SanzakWarrior is not Albanian, he is predominantly Albanian autosomally. Because all his ancestors are from Sjenica area, and Malsors are majority there of Muslim population.

Muslims from Sjenica https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sjenica
I expect of Albanian users that they say how much they looks Albanian.




On the census 2011 in Serbia 145 278 people declared themselves as Bosniaks, and 22 301 as Muslims https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogr...ia#2011_census

Yh the majority of Sjenica is from Kelmendi originally, and majority of the people there belong to the Kelmendi clade of E-V13. Some families though are from Vasojevici and Kuqi. This group of Sanxhakli look less exotic and more Albanian

[Mingle]

Native Serbs wich lived in Raška (Sanžak) in th middle age migrated to the north and northwest from 15th to late 17th century. Very few of them stayed there after late 17th century. Few medieval Serbs which stayed in Raška withdrew in monutains and stayed Orthodox, they still live in Raška. But they are minority of total Serbs in Raška, because majority of present day Serbs in Raška arrived from Montenegro and Herzegovina from late 17th to 19th century.

In early 18th century Raška was heavy depopulated due to mass Serbian migrations towards the north. Orthodox Serbs from Montenegro and Herzegovina migrated to Raška on the almost empty land. Some of them converted to Islam and some stayed Orthodox. Those Serbian settlers from Montenbegro/Herzegovina which converted to Islam were mostly in western Sandžak.
Little later of first mass Serbian migration from Montenegro/Herzegovina to Raška, Ottoman brought a lot of Catholic Albanians (Malsors) from northern Albania and they settled to eastern and central Raška (Sanžak). All Malsors converted to Islam for few decades.

Descendants of medieval Raška Serbs exist among Vojvodina, Slavonia, Kordun and Banija Serbs, because Raška Serbs migrated to Vojvodina, Slavonia, Kordun and Banija.
Descendants of medieval Raška Serbs also exist among Hungarian and Croatians. Because some Serbs from Raška which settled to Hungary, Slavonia and some other areas in Croatia converted to Catholicism and became Hungarians and Croatians.

Thanks for the informative replies. Just another question, why did Serbs from Rashka migrate to the north? Why didn't Serbs from Shumadia or Eastern Serbia move north instead? I'm asking because those regions are geographically closer to the north so I don't get why people from the deep south are migrating all the way up north. I would think it would be easier to move people from Middle Serbia to North Serbia than it would be to move people from South Serbia to North Serbia.

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[Mingle]

Yh the majority of Sjenica is from Kelmendi originally, and majority of the people there belong to the Kelmendi clade of E-V13. Some families though are from Vasojevici and Kuqi. This group of Sanxhakli look less exotic and more Albanian

Is it Kuçi or Kuqi in Albanian? Wikipedia says its Kuçi but I've only seen Kuqi here on TA.

Aren't Vasojevici Orthodox Serbs?

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[Kelmendasi]

Is it Kuçi or Kuqi in Albanian? Wikipedia says its Kuçi but I've only seen Kuqi here on TA.

Aren't Vasojevici Orthodox Serbs?

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It depends, there are two forms, Kuqi and Kuci. You can use both. Vasojevici are Orthodox Serbs from the Brda region of Montenegro, they border the Kuqi iirc. They have oral traditions linking them to Albanian clans and some other Montenegrin Serb clans.

[Mingle]

It depends, there are two forms, Kuqi and Kuci. You can use both. Vasojevici are Orthodox Serbs from the Brda region of Montenegro, they border the Kuqi iirc. They have oral traditions linking them to Albanian clans and some other Montenegrin Serb clans.

Besides the Piperi and Kuqi, which other Montenegrin clans have Albanian origin?

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[ShenGjergj]

They look slavic, they don't look Albanian.

[Pribislav]

Thanks for the informative replies. Just another question, why did Serbs from Rashka migrate to the north? Why didn't Serbs from Shumadia or Eastern Serbia move north instead? I'm asking because those regions are geographically closer to the north so I don't get why people from the deep south are migrating all the way up north. I would think it would be easier to move people from Middle Serbia to North Serbia than it would be to move people from South Serbia to North Serbia.

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Serbs from Šumadija and eastern Serbia also migrated to the north. One group of Serbs migrated from Šumadija to Slovakia in 1521 and they were assimilated there by Slovaks, some of their traces still exist in Slovakia.
Since 15th century Serbian migration from Šumadija and eastern Serbia to Vojvodina/Hungary/Romania happened. Serbian knight Pavle Bakić moved from Šumadija (Ottoman territory) to Syrmia (Hungarian territory) in early 16th century with many Serbs from Šumadija https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavle_Bakić
Serbs from eastern Serbia mostly migrated to Banat. Krašovani are Serbs which arrived to Romanian Banat from eastern Serbia, and in Austrian time converted to Catholicism and in recent time those who are not rumanized declared themselves as Croatians https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krashovani

Western Serbia was populated in late 17th, 18th and 19th century.

Šumadija was populated from late 17th to 19th century.

Eastern Serbia was populated mostly with Vlachs from day Romania in period 1719-1737.

All regions western Serbia, Šumadija and eastern Serbia lost medieval population, and people which live today in these areas are descendants of settler in the last 330 years.
Settlers in western Serbia were all ethnic Serbs, settlers in Šumadija were predominantly Serbs plus few Albanians (Kelmendis) and few Vlachs, setllers in eastern Serbia were predominantly Vlachs from modern Romania.

[MiloshN]

Some of Albanians and Montegerians clans have a same common ancestor, but their histories, perceptions, and behaviors are in completely different directions ...

[Tauromachos]

We have no genetic overlap with Anatolians yet you Turk..

I was not talking about genetics you moron

Some Albanians strongly look kinda like West Asians,Anatolians or Caucasus people

Maybe it is something Neolithic or even has to do with Yamnaya
Anyway its fact
Deal with it!

Ehh greek* islanders are phenotypicaly inseperable from them. .

Completly wrong

Greek Islanders don't resemble East Anatolian people that much

The Albanians who look like that"of course not all Albanians do" actualy don't pass here in the Islands but they pass better as real
Inland Anatolians,Armenians,Assyrians or in the Caucasus