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    How the Dutch are falling out of love with Britain


    PUBLISHED: 09:58 22 July 2017 | UPDATED: 13:12 06 July 2018

    Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte, The cast of Fawlty Towers, Yes Minister, King Willem Alexander



    We Dutch used to make fun of the Germans and admire the Brits, says Vanessa Lamsvelt. Now, we find ourselves laughing at, not with, the UK.

    Growing up as a northern European citizen in the 1980s and early 90s the world was so much simpler. The European Union consisted of only 12 countries, you were a traitor to the EU economy if you bought a Japanese manufactured car and a lot of us would have an aversion for anything looking or sounding German. From here, in the Netherlands, you were taught to look for inspiration and ideas westbound, not east.

    Don’t believe Dutch people who say they never showed a German who asked for directions the wrong way. We all did. Being a granddaughter of a primary schoolteacher who lost all her Jewish pupils during the war, I was brought up with a strong anti-German sentiment. We took pride in making fun of the Germans. A highlight was 1988, when Holland beat Germany at the semi-finals of the European Football Championships and Dutch defender Ronald Koeman wiped his bum with Olaf Thon’s shirt in front of German fans. Germans we were taught, were the outcasts of Europe; loud, rude and clunky. A sentiment that ran deep. The mere sound of a tourist speaking German would cause agitation.

    What a different view we had of our neighbours over the sea to the west; civilised, polite and kind. The British, they were the people we related to, we were told. Of course they too had their peculiarities; living on an island they had developed some strange habits. They drank lukewarm beer and ate tinned beans on toast. But still, we felt culturally close and we shared the same sense of humour. In fact, we actually looked up to the British – their music, their writers, their actors. If you wanted to make an impression at work you would mention in passing that you had seen the latest episode of Yes Minister on the BBC, and you could always score points by impersonating John Cleese and his Fawlty Towers’ “don’t mention the war” line. Hopelessly stereotypical? Of course, but it’s these strong images that stuck in our continental minds.

    Fast-forward 20 years, and you can still boast by citing a British author or by saying you saw Newsnight the other night. But things do seem to be changing. The aversion that my generation felt towards Germans has dissolved over the last 10 years and younger generations now feel more and more connected to our neighbours in the east. With the UK’s decision to leave Europe, the natural connection and understanding we northern Europeans feel towards Britain is in danger of slowly drifting away. And not for the first time.

    Throughout history our bond with the UK has had it’s ups and downs. It wasn’t very amicable during the 17th and 18th century; during four Anglo-Dutch wars we fought each other at sea over trade and overseas colonies. It got better during the 18th century when Napoleon was defeated and the Dutch statesman Gijsbert Karel van Hogendorp declared the British “our natural ally”. But that natural alliance vanished in the 19th century during the two Boer Wars in South Africa. The tides turned again during the 20th century.

    The Second World War changed the relationship for good. Britain offered shelter to the Dutch Queen Wilhelmina and to the Dutch government. Most of the ships of the Royal Dutch Marine were safeguarded in England and a few Dutch pilots who managed to flee the Netherlands joined the Royal Air Force and fought in the Battle of Britain. The most famous was resistance hero Erik Hazelhoff who, better known as the Soldier of Orange, joined the RAF in 1942 – not before bluffing his way through an eye test which he never should have passed as he actually needed glasses. And of course the British played a crucial role in liberating the Netherlands from the German occupation.

    The bond shaped during those war years stuck and over the last decades it expanded on many different levels. In business, multinationals like Shell and Unilever joined forces. On a military level the British and Dutch Royal Marines formed an alliance – though our men do have to live with the British calling them “Cloggies”, they too using stereotypes, implying that we still walk on wooden clogs all day. On a royal level our King Willem Alexander is the 850th successor in line to the British throne. And in politics, the Dutch always found a close ally in Britain when it came to NATO, the Organisation for Security and Co-operation in Europe and, until recently, the European Union.

    In European life we value the British-Dutch axis. The Germans are too rigid, the French too statist. The British are the ones who we are more in tune with when it comes to monetary policy and also seeing Europe mainly as an economic project, and not an ever closer political union.

    Our current Prime Minister Mark Rutte is a self-declared Anglophile. Pre-Brexit he would gush over his UK counterpart David Cameron and openly declare his love for England. He likes to reads books on British politics and in his speeches he often uses English words. We make fun of it but at the same time we don’t mind. 87% of us speak English as a second language. A lot of us have studied in England through cultural exchange programmes or worked for a few years on the other side of the Channel. During these times we have built friendships and relationships with the British, experiences which we absorbed and took home.

    Then came the shock result and vote for Brexit. In the run-up to the referendum the comparison of Brexit with a divorce had so often been made. They were merely words then, but not anymore. As a country we felt rejected by an ally who we admire and trust. It wasn’t personal we were told, but it did feel that way.

    Rutte has said that he “hates Brexit from every angle”. He also says that he hoped there will be “some form of UK membership or relationship with the internal market”. But his tone has clearly now changed. The amicable relationship that Rutte shared with Cameron has been replaced by a cautious and calculated approach towards Theresa May. As has the view of EU-chief Frans Timmermans, another Dutch Anglophile, who recently mocked Britain’s vision of a post-Brexit world by comparing British politicians to Monty Python’s Black Knight. Until recently Dutch politicians wouldn’t publicly make fun of their British counterparts but now they are seeking new allies. “If people talk about the French-German axis, then I think ‘what about the French-Dutch axis’,” Rutte said recently. “I want to help shape Europe and you need alliances for that.”

    But what about the alliance between ordinary Dutch and British people? Ask a Dutchman and he will still prefer to share a beer with an Englishman over a German – we might not laugh at the Germans anymore, but laughing with them is, for a lot of Dutch, still too much to ask. But it’s not hard to imagine that we too will eventually shift our focus to Germany and France in the event of a Hard Brexit, not least because it will be easier to study in a EU member state and because multinationals will have moved from London to Frankfurt and Paris.

    Of course we won’t suddenly cut off friendships, discard British literature or not laugh about the understated humour we love so much. But the admiration we felt for so many decades is fading. When a partner unilaterally ends a relationship you automatically start to scrutinise that relationship. The things you used to love about the other party are no longer so endearing.

    You see things differently and weigh them up differently. Boris Johnson is an example. When the UK was still part of the European team, in the period before Brexit, we thought that he was a charismatic and strong politician and that he could get away with the gaffes he made. We would even wonder why we don’t have these colourful and eloquent people in Dutch politics. But since Brexit his jokes suddenly don’t land in the same why they used to. His humour makes him look like a clown. What was first seen as funny is now seen as insensitive and very gauche coming from a foreign minister.

    Angela Merkel on the other hand used to be mocked for being boring, stern and unnoticeable, but in recent years ‘Mutti’ has become popular amongst us continentals. In a world that is becoming more and more complex we value a leader that takes the problems we face seriously. The difference with her British counterpart Theresa May couldn’t be greater; she is seen as a leader who uses big, but ultimately meaningless, phrases like “Brexit means Brexit” and who claims to be strong and stable but can’t deliver. She is weak and wobbly, and making Britain look messier every day.

    That mess is starting to become the new status quo. As an outsider it seems British politicians are leading their people blindly towards the edge of the cliff. There might be a big master plan that we can’t see, but it doesn’t feel that way.

    As an abandoned partner there comes a point when you just don’t understand it anymore and you start to lose respect. One of the things we always admire in the Brits is their understated sense of humour and the ability to make fun of themselves. But to be able to do that you need to be taken seriously. And the decisions that Britain has been taking over the last year are very hard to take seriously.

    Vanessa Lamsvelt is the Brexit correspondent for EenVandaag, a news and current affairs programme on Dutch national TV. From 2010-2015 she was based in London and the UK-correspondent for RTL Dutch TV



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    An interesting article. In particular, I was surprised to read that the Dutch have often been so hostile towards Germans, although I suppose a big element of it was the Second World War.

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    Lamsvelt is only wrong in one thing: Merkel is anything BUT popular in the Netherlands and the Germans have our heartfelt sympathy.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    An interesting article. In particular, I was surprised to read that the Dutch have often been so hostile towards Germans, although I suppose a big element of it was the Second World War.
    That was the real element. Imagine it to a brother suddenly stabbing you in the back. That was the German invasion of 1940. The bond felt with Britain in the 1945-2010s period, we used to feel with Germany as it was a natural bond.



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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    That was the real element. Imagine it to a brother suddenly stabbing you in the back. That was the German invasion of 1940. The bond felt with Britain in the 1945-2010s period, we used to feel with Germany as it was a natural bond.
    Yeah I can see that. Would you agree that, in terms of culture, language, phenotype etc. the Netherlands is to Germany what Portugal is to Spain?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tooting Carmen View Post
    Yeah I can see that. Would you agree that, in terms of culture, language, phenotype etc. the Netherlands is to Germany what Portugal is to Spain?
    Yes. I would call us a direct continuation. The only real difference lies in the differences between North and South in both Germany and the Low Countries (thus including Belgium here as the "Belgian", "Catholic" zone stretches on into Brabant and Limburg with the Limburgian area connecting to the, traditionally Catholic, Rhineland. .



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    I would say that Brexit forced our hand. Without the alliance with Britain to back us up, the Dutch are still reeling to understand that the EU is definitely dead to us because the Dutch, Irish and Scandinavians (the free-marketeers, the EU-is-an-economic-project-not-a-political-one- alliance)are not going to be able to do much if it comes to controlling the axis Paris-Berlin, which is ever more statist. Thus a hard Brexit must and should lead to a clean and hard Nexit. The politicians must understand that this battle again EU-statism has been lost and it's time to pull out.



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    Like Tooting I wasn't aware that the Dutch were not fans of the Germans but it was understandable because of WW2. I also didn't know they were such big fans of the British. Yes it is interesting times ahead due to Brexit. Ireland will be the worst affected in the EU because of Brexit. Hopefully Britain will stay in the Customs Union but that would be bizarre as well because it would be a worse deal for them than staying in the EU. Very uncertain times ahead and it will be interesting to see how things are in a couple of years' time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace O'Malley View Post
    Like Tooting I wasn't aware that the Dutch were not fans of the Germans but it was understandable because of WW2. I also didn't know they were such big fans of the British. Yes it is interesting times ahead due to Brexit. Ireland will be the worst affected in the EU because of Brexit. Hopefully Britain will stay in the Customs Union but that would be bizarre as well because it would be a worse deal for them than staying in the EU. Very uncertain times ahead and it will be interesting to see how things are in a couple of years' time.
    That's putting it mildly. It is a real economic and diplomatic disaster.

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    Major increase of British citizens becoming Dutch, ahead of Brexit uncertainty


    By Emma Brown
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    British citizens becoming Dutch


    It’s no real surprise, but there has been a major increase in British citizens becoming Dutch since the UK voted for Brexit. The (still) incredibly uncertain event, has spooked some British citizens and they want to become Dutch in order to secure a definite residency within the Netherlands and other EU countries.

    Although some have predicted that both British and Dutch nationals will be safe in either country, this still has not been properly negotiated, leading some to crave the certainty that they deserve. It is expected that the number of Brits applying for a Dutch passport will continue to rise. (Where do I sign up!?)

    New figures from the immigration service IND show that before the UK voted to leave the EU (2015), 166 British citizens obtained a Dutch passport. After the referendum (2016), 636 British citizens ‘went Dutch.’ (check here, and here all in Dutch) Numbers might be a bit out-of-context, with Dutch people living in the UK re-applying for Dutch citizenship. (out of the 86K British folk living in the Netherlands as you can find at the CBS).

    Brits in the Netherlands as a whole dramatically went up as well, with an increase of 4.000 Brits living here (source). So the perceived trend with Brits fleeing the island in favor of the Netherlands (hi EMA!) is certainly spot on.

    In other EU countries, approximately 17,000 British citizens applied for a foreign passport in the year following the referendum. 9,000 of these sought to become Irish – the highest number of any EU country.

    Why is this a big deal?

    Some British citizens claimed that losing their nationality was an emotional event. This is especially so, when some people have had to ‘trade in’ their nationality purely due to the Brexit vote. Losing your nationality is always going to be a pretty big deal.

    Current procedures mean that people can apply for Dutch nationality if they’ve been living in the Netherlands for 3 years. (Only if they are married to a Dutchie). It is 5 years otherwise. This is subject to meeting all of the other conditions, such as integration exams etc. Currently, Dutch citizens living in the UK can apply for dual nationality. You wouldn’t get very far though, as Dutch law says that you can’t be a dual national anywhere else without giving back your Dutch passport (if you don’t meet the criteria).

    In the Netherlands, this is also not possible for ‘first generation’ immigrants. This results in people having to completely renounce their nationality of birth. This is set to change, as the new coalition promised that it would modify and modernise this law. The chances of this happening any time soon though, is very slim, as nothing concrete has been discussed.
    The Brexit s**tstorm continues.

    Should the law be modernised ASAP? Any other rants? We would love to hear your thoughts!



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