"Diversity and Multiculturalism" - real versus ideological definitions

[Tooting Carmen]

To me, there is a substantial difference between a more objective and dispassionate meaning to diversity and multiculturalism - which I do support - and the more ideological definition, which for the most part I do not.

The more objective and dispassionate definition is the idea that all ethnic groups, languages and cultures have a right to exist, for the most part within their own borders, without one seeking to dominate over or kill off the other. And I don't just mean this in terms of how the world's meta-races should treat each other either - even among Europeans themselves, I believe that all our existing languages have the right to, well, exist and have official recognition and usage. This is in contrast to the deeply philistine and utilitarian idea that everyone should speak the same language (probably but not necessarily English) and let go of these 'pointless and backward' languages. Similarly, instead of this notion that Europeans should all interbreed en masse and produce a homogeneous "European" phenotype, let us celebrate the separateness and uniqueness of Germanics, Slavs, Mediterraneans etc.

Now, the ideological definition of diversity and multiculturalism is the notion that Western countries (though not so much other countries, intriguingly) should become as ethnically mixed as possible to the point where the hitherto majority ethnic group becomes a minority. While I don't support a total ban on migration like quite a few members of this forum do, all the same I do believe that numbers should be tightly controlled enough so the majority ethnic groups - whether in Europe or anywhere else - do not become a minority. Already in several schools across the UK - and not even just in the traditional migrant hotspots of London, the Midlands, Yorkshire and Lancashire either - there are schools which are 90%+ non-white! Ironically, often the biggest losers in this are non-white kids themselves, who from a young age are already estranged from 'mainstream society' and some of them become actively suspicious of it.

[The Lawspeaker]

Multiculturalism is, by any standard, the destruction of the coherent existing (organically grown) culture. There, simply, is no "better" or "worse" form of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is as it is: any culture but the standard culture because for one culture to "flourish" - one must be destroyed. That's the whole principle of this Marxist ideology.

[Tooting Carmen]

Multiculturalism is, by any standard, the destruction of the coherent existing (organically grown) culture. There, simply, is no "better" or "worse" form of multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is as it is: any culture but the standard culture because for one culture to "flourish" - one must be destroyed. That's the whole principle of this Marxist ideology.

Did you actually read carefully what I wrote? The non-ideological, non-Leftist definition of multiculturalism is the idea that, well, different cultures have a right to exist within their own borders and no one from outside should seek to kill them off. The Dutch have a right to practice Dutch culture, the British have a right to practice British culture, Greeks have a right to practice Greek culture, Poles have a right to practice Polish culture, Japanese have a right to practice Japanese culture, Thais have a right to practice Thai culture. Etc etc.

[The Lawspeaker]

Did you actually read carefully what I wrote? The non-ideological, non-Leftist definition of multiculturalism is the idea that, well, different cultures have a right to exist within their own borders and no one from outside should seek to kill them off. The Dutch have a right to practice Dutch culture, the British have a right to practice British culture, Greeks have a right to practice Greek culture, Poles have a right to practice Polish culture, Japanese have a right to practice Japanese culture, Thais have a right to practice Thai culture. Etc etc.

Nice dream but there is not a single instance ever being carried out. Ever. Not one.

[Tooting Carmen]

Nice dream but there is not a single instance ever being carried out. Ever. Not one.

It is called 'national sovereignty', 'non-interference in the internal affairs of others', 'different languages having official recognition within their own territories'...

[Tooting Carmen]

Nice dream but there is not a single instance ever being carried out. Ever. Not one.

OK, would you like to see the Dutch Government announce that they shall make English the official language of the Netherlands and that we should phase out Dutch from public life as it serves little or no use in the modern world?

[The Lawspeaker]

OK, would you like to see the Dutch Government announce that they shall make English the official language of the Netherlands and that we should phase out Dutch from public life as it serves little or no use in the modern world?

Actually: they have already started with replacing Dutch festivals with foreign festivals and Dutch no longer enjoys the role of official language. Government documents are now in several languages and even certain left-wing and migrant parties only communicate in Turkish or Arab.

[The Lawspeaker]

It is called 'national sovereignty', 'non-interference in the internal affairs of others', 'different languages having official recognition within their own territories'...

That principle no longer exists. The reasons are called European Union and United Nations.

[Tooting Carmen]

That principle no longer exists. The reasons are called European Union and United Nations.

The latter of which has no real power in the world (the former is a separate matter). If the latter did, then there wouldn't be all these wars, tyrannies, prohibitions on sexual freedom around the world...

[Tooting Carmen]

Actually: they have already started with replacing Dutch festivals with foreign festivals and Dutch no longer enjoys the role of official language. Government documents are now in several languages and even certain left-wing and migrant parties only communicate in Turkish or Arab.

Do you think that the Dutch language is an essential part of Dutch identity and culture, or do you take the utilitarian view that it is pretty useless in the modern world and we should phase it out and just speak English?