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    Im my Spanish family branch it's present and my father carries that mutation too, but I'm not. I think it's not so uncommon.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Damião de Góis View Post
    We what now?
    Spaniards, I mean ANY SPANIARD, barely know who Riffians are (in short, 99% of Spaniards have not heard this word Riffian in their lifes), and obviously give a fuck about hair colour etc, so I also find very laughable the comment of that expert

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cristiano viejo View Post
    Spaniards, I mean ANY SPANIARD, barely know who Riffians are (in short, 99% of Spaniards have not heard this word Riffian in their lifes), and obviously give a fuck about hair colour etc, so I also find very laughable the comment of that expert
    That was me taking Coon and other old anthropologists way too literally and uncritically back then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp_loa View Post
    Samaritans have higher frequencies (%) of red hair than both Ashkenazi Jews and Sephardi Jews.
    It seems like Red hair was very common in Ancient Judea and Samaria (united monarchy of Kingdom of Israel). Red hair was stereotype of Jews in many European countries. Although it is possible some Sephardim have mixed with Visogoths and Celtiberians (my 3rd cousin has British mtdna haplogroup- I4a1, possibly it's my mtdna too) but I don't think it did much as Sephardi DNA in general is about 40% Iberian, 60% Levantine and it doesn't look like there is strong northern influence in there.

    Samaritans are not White! Why are you mentioning those things here? Spaniards are Whites or Europeans!! Ok!! Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    Samaritans are not White! Why are you mentioning those things here? Spaniards are Whites or Europeans!! Ok!! Get it?
    Off-topic I know but Samaritans have a high frequency of the R151C variant allele on MC1R and and apparent absence of other variants on nearby SNPs on MC1R associated with red hair.
    This circumstance is likely the product of repeated bottlenecking since the Samartian Revolts which brought the population down from 1.2 million just prior to a little over a hundred (~1/10.000) by the late 19th century.

    Due to the elevation of a single variant with a carrier rate as much as 41% according to one sample of 78 (around 10% of population, but especially considering homozygousity certainly representive) from Bonne-Tamir, Samaritans have a singularly high frequency of rufosity for the Levant despite genetically overall being similar to Levantines of classical antiquity. The tiny remaining population of four familes (except for the priestly Cohens who are uniformly dark featured) by the late 19th century just ended up having an high frequency of one variant allele.

    Again I know it is off topic but nevertheless interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicalandia View Post
    I don't think so, here in Latin America is not very common and Iberian blood is what constitute most of our European ancestry.
    Latin Americans are predominantly Mixed - race people. Your Latinos are more Brown people than White! Spaniards of Europe, are White people. See, the difference!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gascon77 View Post
    Off-topic I know but Samaritans have a high frequency of the R151C variant allele on MC1R and and apparent absence of other variants on nearby SNPs on MC1R associated with red hair.
    This circumstance is likely the product of repeated bottlenecking since the Samartian Revolts which brought the population down from 1.2 million just prior to a little over a hundred (~1/10.000) by the late 19th century.

    Due to the elevation of a single variant with a carrier rate as much as 41% according to one sample of 78 (around 10% of population, but especially considering homozygousity certainly representive) from Bonne-Tamir, Samaritans have a singularly high frequency of rufosity for the Levant despite genetically overall being similar to Levantines of classical antiquity. The tiny remaining population of four familes (except for the priestly Cohens who are uniformly dark featured) by the late 19th century just ended up having an high frequency of one variant allele.

    Again I know it is off topic but nevertheless interesting.
    You should never compare European populations with Middle - Eastern ones. Spaniards as other Southern Europeans are as a whole less red - haired than Northern and Central European populations. This doesn’t make less red - haired than Samaritans!

    Maria Castro is a hot Spanish ginger. She’s spicy!!!
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/c7...dec92a6294.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrazyDaisy View Post
    That seems to be a common hair color in Spain and my mom’s side of the family. I myself have that hair color. Especially as a kid.
    If you mean auburn like mine, it occurs more in Spain especially the north than in Serbia, Macedonia, Kossovo, Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, Italy. However the frequency is still too low.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Septentrion View Post
    You should never compare European populations with Middle - Eastern ones. Spaniards as other Southern Europeans are as a whole less red - haired than Northern and Central European populations. This doesn’t make less red - haired than Samaritans!

    Maria Castro is a hot Spanish ginger. She’s spicy!!!
    https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/c7...dec92a6294.jpg
    Ehh...you would think...but:

    https://alfred.med.yale.edu/alfred/m...euid=SI663691F

    No other sample comes close to Samaritans in terms of R151C frequency.

    Samartians today have an extremely compromised genepool which is a way more important circumstance to consider here than the fact that they are Levantine.

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    Yeah sure, more than the scots, micks and the rest of the brits.

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