Albanian/Serbo-Montenegrin tribes

[DukaGenius]

I am curious about the status of the Albanian tribe or region of Reçi of Malësia e Madhe in the Shkodër area. Some sources seem to say that Reçi is a tribe of polyphyletic origin while another source says that Reçi is not truly a tribe and is more of a region. Robert Elsie in his book entitled ''The Tribes of Albania'' describes Reçi as a tribe but notes that they seem to be of polyphyletic origin ans thus not a ''fis'' in the sense of a tribe claiming ancestor from a common male line ancestor. He does however describe Reçi as a tribal region and mentions that they belong to a bajrak that also includes the Lohja tribe. Franz Baron Nopcsa mentions that the Reçi are a small tribe of polyphyletic origin as well yet a commentator on his work a researcher named Ndoc Kamsi says that Reçi is not actually a tribe but describes Reçi as a ''mountain'' or region. I will link some sources about this topic below. I can't read or speak Albanian so I am using Google Translate for the Nopcsa article so maybe something gets lost in the translation. I am not sure. So is Reçi a true tribe or more so of a region of Malësia e Madhe?

https://books.google.ca/books?id=i2I...20Reci&f=false

https://gazetamapo.al/topografia-dhe...-e-veriut-iii/

Not to take away from your question, but do you and or anyone else know why the Albanians that fled to Italy and Sicily are in areas named "Greci"? Piana dei Greci, (now called Piana degli Albanesi) (sicily) and Greci. Campania. Apparently it means "greek" in Italian.

[Hulu]

Not to take away from your question, but do you and or anyone else know why the Albanians that fled to Italy and Sicily are in areas named "Greci"? Piana dei Greci, (now called Piana degli Albanesi) (sicily) and Greci. Campania. Apparently it means "greek" in Italian.

The greek orthodox religion they practiced. Italians associated their religion type with ethnicity until it was clear they were Albanians. Thanks to Mussolini who was an ethno-nationalist and changed the name eventually.

[Black Wolf]

They were supposedly four brothers, all brothers to each-other. As I mentioned, this has not been DNA-confirmed yet.




Krasniqi is J2b-L283>PH1751, a paleo-Balkan, non-Serbian clade if there ever was one. The Hercegovina tradition has found no DNA support until now.

Interesting thank you. If anyone can ever find anymore men from Reçi to test I can fund a few tests for them. I am also interested in funding another test for another Boci man from Fani in Mirdite or a brotherhood related to Boci. I am interested in finding more J2a among the Albanian tribes.

[Ownstyler]

lol. Will do. Is that a holy grail of some sort? Why is it so difficult to come by?

It is the latest register with names that I know of. The founders of several North Albanian clans might be mentioned there. I have tried to find it for a very long time, with no luck. But there are several authors who have cited it.

Interesting thank you. If anyone can ever find anymore men from Reçi to test I can fund a few tests for them. I am also interested in funding another test for another Boci man from Fani in Mirdite or a brotherhood related to Boci. I am interested in finding more J2a among the Albanian tribes.

Yes, I think it will be possible. I would recommend that you test the untested brotherhoods of these clans though. If different branches have the same result, then it is possible the whole clan does.

[DukaGenius]

[QUOTE=Ownstyler;6184028]It is the latest register with names that I know of. The founders of several North Albanian clans might be mentioned there. I have tried to find it for a very long time, with no luck. But there are several authors who have cited it.


Wow, now you've piqued my interest. Which author's cited it? How is it we have 1485 and not that? Is there anything in between that you know of? It might even help my research better.

[Ownstyler]

Wow, now you've piqued my interest. Which author's cited it? How is it we have 1485 and not that? Is there anything in between that you know of? It might even help my research better.

Pulaha cited it in the 1485 one, 1st page, and in some articles in Studime Historike. Then some Serbian authors cited it too and even made a study of the names in it, without mentioning them, as they usually do. There is also the Sandzak of Dukagjin of 1571 which Pulaha has already published.

[Black Wolf]

It is the latest register with names that I know of. The founders of several North Albanian clans might be mentioned there. I have tried to find it for a very long time, with no luck. But there are several authors who have cited it.



Yes, I think it will be possible. I would recommend that you test the untested brotherhoods of these clans though. If different branches have the same result, then it is possible the whole clan does.

If you ever find any more men from the Reçi tribe of Malesia or any men from the Boci family from Fan in Mirdite or brotherhoods that are supposed to be related to the Boci family please let me know. You can PM me as well.

[Ownstyler]

You can PM me as well.

There are 4-5 brotherhoods that are supposed to be related to Boci as well. I can't send messages here yet, but send me an email, I enabled them until my messages are up.

[Black Wolf]

There are 4-5 brotherhoods that are supposed to be related to Boci as well. I can't send messages here yet, but send me an email, I enabled them until my messages are up.

Email sent.

[Black Wolf]

It is interesting to see two Reçi J2a-M67 results in the Albanian DNA Project now. More need to be tested to truly confirm this of course but this lends some support to Reçi being a ''Fis'' I think.

Reci Reci Qafë Gradë, Shkoder, Shqiperi J2a-M410>M67>?

Hekaj Reci Rec, Shkoder, Shqiperi J2a-M410>M67>?


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