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    Very interesting Video I just saw, looks like the middle east was very advanced before spread of wahabism and the effects of western imperialism, similar videos can be found on Afghanistan or Egypt.


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    Same in Iran at that time.

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    Iraq is under Iranian influence, most of Iraq is Shia and Shias tend to be lower class and uneducated and Sunnis more educated.

    It's not the spread of Wahhabism, Wahhabis never had much influence in Iraq. It's again the stupidity of Middle-Easterners, they could not coexist peacefully so they needed an oppressive dictator like Saddam to keep them calm. This is more like returning to natura state.

    Indeed West can also be blamed for two things, one is the Sykes-Picot agreement in which they partitioned Middle-East without any ethnic boundaries. There is absolutely no reason for Kuwait to be independent. It's a piece of oil rich land which was given to the native Arab tribe who were later puppeted, landlocking Iraq and preventing it's population from profiting the oil revenue, and second is the American intervention.

    Smart decision for them though, it's all Middle-Easterners themselves to be blamed. They could not just sit on a table and discuss about reorganizing the borders.
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    Dark skin is sign of evilness, every dark skinned country is agressive, full with criminality, violented peoples, most crimes were committed by dark skinned peoples. Many of them are follower of Islam (death cult) to spread the voice of Satan who tainted them that's why their skin is dark as their souls. We whites are descedants of angels (thats why our skin is light), we created the human rights, we ended slavery, we created the modern medical science to save lifes etc etc. Thats why the dark skinned peoples are so jealous for us and they want to destroy everything what the angles created.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    Iraq is under Iranian influence, most of Iraq is Shia and Shias tend to be lower class and uneducated and Sunnis more educated.

    It's not the spread of Wahhabism, Wahhabis never had much influence in Iraq. It's again the stupidity of Middle-Easterners, they could not coexist peacefully so they needed an oppressive dictator like Saddam to keep them calm. This is more like returning to natura state.

    Indeed West can also be blamed for two things, one is the Sykes-Picot agreement in which they partitioned Middle-East without any ethnic boundaries. There is absolutely no reason for Kuwait to be independent. It's a piece of oil rich land which was given to the native Arab tribe who were later puppeted, landlocking Iraq and preventing it's population from profiting the oil revenue, and second is the American intervention.

    Smart decision for them though, it's all Middle-Easterners themselves to be blamed. They could not just sit on a table and discuss about reorganizing the borders.
    Wahabism is the source of Islamic State and Al Quaida preventing to bring any stability to the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Wahabism is the source of Islamic State and Al Quaida preventing to bring any stability to the country.
    It was not only ISIS that really fucked up Iraq.

    Hashd Shaabi, shia militias are similar to ISIS with their techniques. There is an incredible level of backwardness and savagery there, it's the real reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    It was not only ISIS that really fucked up Iraq.

    Hashd Shaabi, shia militias are similar to ISIS with their techniques. There is an incredible level of backwardness and savagery there, it's the real reason.
    Shias took over political power trough elections after US invasion, while the radicalized sunni population saw and in parts still sees elections as haram. Wahabism is invloved in every aspect of instability in the islamic world, I dont know any country that doesnt face the problem? And in Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Afghanistan its the problem in a large scale.

    Check the numbers of Saudi citizens doing hidschra and the way how saudis finance militant groups in Iraq and Syria to political wahabi groups like the muslim brotherhood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Shias took over political power trough elections after US invasion, while the radicalized sunni population saw and in parts still sees elections as haram. Wahabism is invloved in every aspect of instability in the islamic world, I dont know any country that doesnt face the problem? And in Syria, Iraq, Egypt and Afghanistan its the problem in a large scale.

    Check the numbers of Saudi citizens doing hidschra and the way how saudis finance militant groups in Iraq and Syria to political wahabi groups like the muslim brotherhood.
    You are VERY wrong. Shias win because they are simply the majority of Iraq.

    Iranian revolution is one thing that really provoked Middle-East. Iranian Islamic Regime is evil and many Iranians hate it. They use Shia minorities to assert their dominance, creating and funding religious militias, causing sectarianism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    You are VERY wrong. Shias win because they are simply the majority of Iraq.

    Iranian revolution is one thing that really provoked Middle-East. Iranian Islamic Regime is evil and many Iranians hate it. They use Shia minorities to assert their dominance, creating and funding religious militias, causing sectarianism.
    They are a overrepresented mayority in Iraq, even bringing concern to the american troops after the first elections, because they went and vote while the sunnis stayed away.

    Shia extremism in Iran had a similar negative impact but its nowhere close to the wahabi influence and capability.

    Look at Lebanon and Hezbollah and compare them to the Islamic state, both islamist lunatics, BUT clearly the islamic state is a way different scale.

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    Although I’m pretty sure that life was far from idillic even back then(a few women dressed in mini skirts isn’t the equivalent of paradise),watching these videos you realize how sad is the fact that the countries of Middle East rejected western modernity and turned into Medieval fanatic hellholes.

    Many people claim that the catalyst in the Islamic World was the Revolution in Iran and that Sunni fundamentalism was a reaction to the Iranian revolution that unleashed the first wave of Islamic fundamentalism and claimed leadership throughout the Islamic world and in the struggle against Israel.

    However,it’s important to remember that Sunni fundamentalism predates the Iranian Revolution and has its roots in Saudi Arabia's ideology of Wahhabism.

    Sunni revolutionary movements appeared in the form of the Muslim Brotherhood in the 60s and 70s, but were kept in check by the secular Arab nationalist ideology expressed by Nasser and the Baath parties in Syria and Iraq.

    The Kingdom of Saudis was pretty isolated until the mid 20th century, but when the oil came on stream, they had the cash to back an expansion of their ideology beyond their borders. It was Saudi money that enabled the Brotherhood to gain traction in North Africa.

    The Afghan jihad was a result of Saudi trained clerics going to Afghanistan to counter the Soviet invasion - this led to the formation of the Mujahideen.

    The US has consistently protected and supported the major source and sponsor of religious fundamentalism in the region which is Saudi Arabia, while helping to suppress the progressive political elements who (if they had been allowed to succeed) would have given this strategically important region the kind of political independence and self determination which the US could not tolerate.

    Anyway,great thread,Teutone

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