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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    KSA probably did, but it does not support them anymore, it supports for it's own reason, but it was never a true ally. Iran is far more of true ally to the MB. KSA now supports nationalists and of course Wahabist/Salafi movement. It shifted because when it saw the alliance between the MB with Iran both in Iraq and in Yemen. However since the beginning both were rivals because they are different ideologies one is Sufi mystical and the other is Puritanical. Of course politics are all different. KSA also supports the tribal populations that it see to be extension of itself, especially in Syria and Iraq. Like said the alliances in the ME are complex and their always shift.
    Thats what I dont deny, the support for muslim brotherhood stopped and is pointless anyway after they are completly opressed in most countries, but the support before that is a fact.

    As you said, the whole middle east is a complex construct of proxy wars, alliances between enemies on some fields and manipulation. Thats why its the most intresting region for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    Iraq is under Iranian influence, most of Iraq is Shia and Shias tend to be lower class and uneducated and Sunnis more educated.
    Interesting that Iran's Shia theocracy still publishes more books than "secular Turkey", may show a character in people, Ιranians are also some of the better integrated people in the West to my concern.

    The Iraq case is very interesting from a "Greco-Balkan" point view, ex-Ottoman land led to extremism by Saddam, a CIA "friend"/agent. Whenever it was the differences with Khomeini expressed by another Islamist and ultimately self-destructing doctrine or just the oil reserves of Khuzestan that CIA didn't manage to get with the Shah, the divide and rule games in Iraq are reminiscent of the ones in the Balkans, Iraq sets the bar high as a post-Ottoman abomination and becomes a candidate for the pantheon of the rayah cucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Very interesting Video I just saw, looks like the middle east was very advanced before spread of wahabism and the effects of western imperialism, similar videos can be found on Afghanistan or Egypt.

    I think many people forget that Iraq was literally a regional superpower. Saddam Hussein made many mistakes including 1) making enemies of Kurds and Shias 2) going to war with Iran 3) going to war with Kuwait.

    If he literally avoided the above points, Iraq would be one of the most prosperous nations in the world today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Very interesting Video I just saw, looks like the middle east was very advanced before spread of wahabism and the effects of western imperialism, similar videos can be found on Afghanistan or Egypt.

    Aah yes, nothing like cruising the streets of Baghdad in a Russian Volga car lol. Those things were even around when I was growing up. Foreigners have no idea how ruthless Sadam. These were times when people were scared of their shadows. People were even scared to say something bad about Sadam to their own relatives. Everyone was spying each other and most of Baghdad were Baathist. Even teenagers were coerced into becoming part of Baathist youth groups.

    We Kurds though never gave in to his Nazi like tactics.BTW Hitler and Stalin were his heros and he read books like Mein Kampf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Very interesting Video I just saw, looks like the middle east was very advanced before spread of wahabism and the effects of western imperialism, similar videos can be found on Afghanistan or Egypt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoro View Post
    Aah yes, nothing like cruising the streets of Baghdad in a Russian Volga car lol. Those things were even around when I was growing up. Foreigners have no idea how ruthless Sadam. These were times when people were scared of their shadows. People were even scared to say something bad about Sadam to their own relatives. Everyone was spying each other and most of Baghdad were Baathist. Even teenagers were coerced into becoming part of Baathist youth groups.

    We Kurds though never gave in to his Nazi like tactics.BTW Hitler and Stalin were his heros and he read books like Mein Kampf
    Yeah ofc we had to get rid of him one way or another. He created a police state, men loyal to him were able to do whatever they want and break any laws. People suffered a lot and there was a lack of trust.

    Foreigners who fantasise over men like Saddam or Assad wouldn't survive a day in Baathist Iraq.

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