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    Wahabis and Islamic brotherhood are two different ideologies and have little in common, and are actually rivals. Iraq was the most advanced Mideast nation, and it revived well after the first destruction by America and it's European allies actually, but the second Gulf war or the war of 2003, had finished it completely off, and the Americans and their allies empowered sectarian parties Shia ones for their own purposes. The sanctions also caused Iraq to be completely crippled. However in the Western regions the Americans and their European allies could never subdue us, and the loses were great but still their casualties were heavy. In fact we inflicted several defeats before they used heavy weapons against us. Of course the situation is far more complex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    Wahabis and Islamic brotherhood are two different ideologies and have little in common, and are actually rivals. Iraq was the most advanced Mideast nation, and it revived well after the first destruction by America and it's European allies actually, but the second Gulf war or the war of 2003, had finished it completely off, and the Americans and their allies empowered sectarian parties Shia ones for their own purposes. The sanctions also caused Iraq to be completely crippled. However in the Western regions the Americans and their European allies could never subdue us, and the loses were great but still their casualties were heavy. In fact we inflicted several defeats before they used heavy weapons against us. Of course the situation is far more complex.

    LOL at Shias being more peaceful
    The Muslim Brotherhood is the "moderare" arm of the wahabis in KSA, you search for extern reasons for everything anyway.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...093039202.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    Wahabis and Islamic brotherhood are two different ideologies and have little in common, and are actually rivals. Iraq was the most advanced Mideast nation, and it revived well after the first destruction by America and it's European allies actually, but the second Gulf war or the war of 2003, had finished it completely off, and the Americans and their allies empowered sectarian parties Shia ones for their own purposes. The sanctions also caused Iraq to be completely crippled. However in the Western regions the Americans and their European allies could never subdue us, and the loses were great but still their casualties were heavy. In fact we inflicted several defeats before they used heavy weapons against us. Of course the situation is far more complex.

    LOL at Shias being more peaceful
    In what ways Wahhabism and the ideology of Brotherhood are rival?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    The Muslim Brotherhood is the "moderare" arm of the wahabis in KSA, you search for extern reasons for everything anyway.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...093039202.html
    Nope. The Muslim brotherhood had originated in Egypt and are actually opposed by KSA. Also the Muslim brotherhood pan-Islamism is very different. Not to mention the war in Yemen is because the Muslim brotherhood and the Houthis have allied with one another. The Muslim brotherhood ideology is very different and in fact has Sufi influence. Sufism is completely different from Salafism and Wahabism. This also explain why the KSA and the Gulf nations had crippled the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt Morsi. The Muslim brotherhood for example has been close to Iran more so recently. Hamas is branch of the Muslim brotherhood and is supported by Iran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Georgia View Post
    In what ways Wahhabism and the ideology of Brotherhood are rival?
    The one thing is that a real wahabi would never participate in a election or in a political system that is not sharia law based. The muslim brotherhood is for people realizing the caliphate and in the end sharia law, has to be established trough a political process, but at the end both the militant and political arm of saudi influence wants sharia law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    Nope. The Muslim brotherhood had originated in Egypt and are actually opposed by KSA. Also the Muslim brotherhood pan-Islamism is very different. Not to mention the war in Yemen is because the Muslim brotherhood and the Houthis have allied with one another. The Muslim brotherhood ideology is very different and in fact has Sufi influence. Sufism is completely different from Salafism and Wahabism. This also explain why the KSA and the Gulf nations had crippled the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt Morsi. The Muslim brotherhood for example has been close to Iran more so recently. Hamas is branch of the Muslim brotherhood and is supported by Iran.
    The Egypt socialist leaders like nasser opposed KSA, the population not at all, a big number of them was working in saudi arabia and were influenced there by wahabism.

    Funny you mention Hamas who has a dispute with Iran for OPENLY ally with the FSA. Mursi was Saudi and Erdogan backed such as FSA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Georgia View Post
    In what ways Wahhabism and the ideology of Brotherhood are rival?
    Muslim brotherhood is more "liberal", and has strong Sufi aka mystical influence and strong pan-Islamist sentiment. Wahabism is more of puritanical movement and it's ideology was actually founded in the Levant by a Sunni Kurd named Ibn Tammyiah who had inspired the work of Muhammed bin Abd Al-Wahab in Arabia. Wahabism is also more literalist. They are both Sunni but they differ in their viewpoints. Wahabism also is not really political movement or even a true sect, it's more of an idea, because it could be followed or not, you can choose and pick. Well the Muslim brotherhood is more organized and has its ideology and tents intact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    The Egypt socialist leaders like nasser opposed KSA, the population not at all, a big number of them was working in saudi arabia and were influenced there by wahabism.

    Funny you mention Hamas who has a dispute with Iran for OPENLY ally with the FSA. Mursi was Saudi and Erdogan backed such as FSA.
    Mursi was never supported by KSA. KSA brought his down fall lol, they openly supported Sisi. Qatar and Erdogan did back Mursi however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    Mursi was never supported by KSA. KSA brought his down fall lol, they openly supported Sisi. Qatar and Erdogan did back Mursi however.
    What was his first foreign trip?

    To KSA


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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    Nope. The Muslim brotherhood had originated in Egypt and are actually opposed by KSA. Also the Muslim brotherhood pan-Islamism is very different. Not to mention the war in Yemen is because the Muslim brotherhood and the Houthis have allied with one another. The Muslim brotherhood ideology is very different and in fact has Sufi influence. Sufism is completely different from Salafism and Wahabism. This also explain why the KSA and the Gulf nations had crippled the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt Morsi. The Muslim brotherhood for example has been close to Iran more so recently. Hamas is branch of the Muslim brotherhood and is supported by Iran.
    I remember this BBC series (it must be like ten years old)... called The Trap (I believe), in which it was made apparent that the Muslim Brotherhood was influenced (and so were the Iranians, the Algerian Islamic terrorists, the Saudi's and the others) by the ideals of positive freedom which sprang forth from the likes of Sartre. Both they and French mid-20th century philosophy (which was influenced by the French Revolution and by Marxism) believed that a society could only be "liberated" (altered) in a sea of blood.. In other words: the old order had to be completely destroyed and the people "liberated" by traumatising them out of their old existence.



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