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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    What was his first foreign trip?

    To KSA

    Sure a picture means nothing. KSA brought his down fall. Also Mursi was making Egypt close to Iran and thus KSA/UAE brought his down fall. Qatar supports the Muslim brotherhood, and backed Mursi and so did Erdogan. The Muslim brotherhood is very different from Wahabism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    Sure a picture means nothing. KSA brought his down fall. Also Mursi was making Egypt close to Iran and thus KSA/UAE brought his down fall. Qatar supports the Muslim brotherhood, and backed Mursi and so did Erdogan. The Muslim brotherhood is very different from Wahabism.
    Google it yourself, his first state visit was to KSA which is a strong sign of support, and Qatar and KSA often end up supporting the same groups completly ignoring their own disputes.

    Basically every sunni militia in Syria.

    At the end KSA,QATAR AND TURKEY form to be a passive alliance against the Shia halfmoon, again very visual in Syria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    I remember this BBC series (it must be like ten years old)... called The Trap (I believe), in which it was made apparent that the Muslim Brotherhood was influenced (and so were the Iranians, the Algerian Islamic terrorists, the Saudi's and the others) by the ideals of positive freedom which sprang forth from the likes of Sartre. Both they and French mid-20th century philosophy (which was influenced by the French Revolution and by Marxism) believed that a society could only be "liberated" (altered) in a sea of blood.. In other words: the old order had to be completely destroyed and the people "liberated" by traumatising them out of their old existence.
    I am referring to this one. Look it up online - it's really worth your time.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Google it yourself, his first state visit was to KSA which is a strong sign of support, and Qatar and KSA often end up supporting the same groups completly ignoring their own disputes.

    Basically every sunni militia in Syria.

    At the end KSA,QATAR AND TURKEY form to be a passive alliance against the Shia halfmoon, again very visual in Syria.
    With all due respect, KSA and UAE don't support the Muslim brotherhood. They never have and never will, in fact they are fighting with them right now in Yemen. Also the Muslim brotherhood is an ally of Shia powers like Iran. Also KSA visiting Egypt is nothing more than diplomatic relations, but things quickly soured. Also the two movements are very different from each other and their application. For example some of the Wahabi groups called Ikhwans which means the brother are different from what is known as the Muslim brotherhood, despite being known as the brothers. This group also would rebel against the monarchy and the British, they also gave the British a hard time in Jordan when they invaded it. However the two groups are opposed to each other. Most Sunni militas are either nationalist like in the case of Iraq which means secular, or have some Wahabi elements, but almost none of them are of the Muslim brotherhood. In fact the Muslim brotherhood in Iraq has seats because they also did treason, just speaks enough, and they are the only Sunni party to do so. Thus the secular nationalists and Wahabist hate them. They are seen as traitors who came with America just like the Shia parties that were empowered by America and it's allies. KSA for example had supported secular nationalist groups in Iraq. However alliances in the Mideast are very complex and shift
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Google it yourself, his first state visit was to KSA which is a strong sign of support, and Qatar and KSA often end up supporting the same groups completly ignoring their own disputes.

    Basically every sunni militia in Syria.

    At the end KSA,QATAR AND TURKEY form to be a passive alliance against the Shia halfmoon, again very visual in Syria.
    You have no idea what you are talking about, have you forgotten that KSA, Egypt and other Gulf states issued embargo on Qatar, accusing it to side with Iran, and Iran and Turkey helped Qatar out of Embargo?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    Google it yourself, his first state visit was to KSA which is a strong sign of support, and Qatar and KSA often end up supporting the same groups completly ignoring their own disputes.

    Basically every sunni militia in Syria.

    At the end KSA,QATAR AND TURKEY form to be a passive alliance against the Shia halfmoon, again very visual in Syria.
    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    You have no idea what you are talking about, have you forgotten that KSA, Egypt and other Gulf states issued embargo on Qatar, accusing it to side with Iran, and Iran and Turkey helped Qatar out of Embargo?
    You confuse pragmatic relationships with alliances, Egypt has no significant shia population so it doesnt have to fear Iranian influence.

    Qatar has changed his position to Iran after the Bahrain shia protests, same time when Mursi was around. The whole Shia uprising ended in a pragmatic alliance against shia influence in general by KSA and Qatar.

    In Yemen the muslim brotherhood has a maginal role, Islamist sunni, official government and houthis play the big roles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmara View Post
    You have no idea what you are talking about, have you forgotten that KSA, Egypt and other Gulf states issued embargo on Qatar, accusing it to side with Iran, and Iran and Turkey helped Qatar out of Embargo?
    Qatar went openly after Iran after the Bahrain uprising, also you see in Syria that Iran backed militias and qatar backed militias fight eachother.

    I said that KSA and Qatar have disputes but forget those in conflicts like syria which can easily be seen by the sunni forces there.

    never denied the conflict of ksa and qatar on other fields

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    You confuse pragmatic relationships with alliances, Egypt has no significant shia population so it doesnt have to fear Iranian influence.

    Qatar has changed his position to Iran after the Bahrain shia protests, same time when Mursi was around. The whole Shia uprising ended in a pragmatic alliance against shia influence in general by KSA and Qatar.

    In Yemen the muslim brotherhood has a maginal role, Islamist sunni, official government and houthis play the big roles.
    KSA alliance with Israel would pragmatic as the two don't really like each other. The alliance is not true as most people think it is. King Fisal was never fond of Israel or most Westerners to be honest. He was quite the nationalist, so this why he was removed. Egypt allied with Iran, because the Muslim brotherhood is an ally of Iran, and this why in Iraq they are allowed to have seats, because Iraq now is province that the Americans and their allies gave on a gold platter to Iran and it's influence. Iran fears Baathist/nationalists more so than it fears them more so than the Gulf monarchies, just like the Americans did, because their goal was to unite the Arabian peninsula and secure the oil reserves, but the goal of the nationalist is to free Iraq from Anglo-Iranian control. This why nationalists are not allowed to have seats in the current Iraqi government and the Americans dismantled it in a brutal manner, and the MB were allowed to enter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    KSA alliance with Israel would pragmatic as the two don't really like each other. The alliance is not true as most people think it is. King Fisal was never fond of Israel or most Westerners to be honest. He was quite the nationalist, so this why he was removed. Egypt allied with Iran, because the Muslim brotherhood is an ally of Iran, and this why in Iraq they are allowed to have seats, because Iraq now is province that the Americans and their allies gave on a gold platter to Iran and it's influence. Iran fears Baathist/nationalists more so than it fears them, just like the Americans did, because their goal was to unite the Arabian peninsula and secure the oil reserves. This why nationalists are not allowed to have seats in the current Iraqi government and the Americans dismantled it in a brutal manner, and the MB were allowed to enter.
    KSA alliance with Israel is pragmatic and a unspoken reality such as the KSA support for almost all sunni movements including MB, check the link it was even published by QATARI al jazeera speaking about the MB getting support from KSA and how it shifted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teutone View Post
    KSA alliance with Israel is pragmatic and a unspoken reality such as the KSA support for almost all sunni movements including MB, check the link it was even published by QATARI al jazeera speaking about the MB getting support from KSA and how it shifted.
    KSA probably did, but it does not support them anymore, it supports for it's own reason, but it was never a true ally. Iran is far more of true ally to the MB. KSA now supports nationalists and of course Wahabist/Salafi movement. It shifted because when it saw the alliance between the MB with Iran both in Iraq and in Yemen. However since the beginning both were rivals because they are different ideologies one is Sufi mystical and the other is Puritanical. Of course politics are all different. KSA also supports the tribal populations that it see to be extension of itself, especially in Syria and Iraq. Like said the alliances in the ME are complex and their always shift.
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