Roma woman in Punjab village searching for her roots

[Cristiano viejo]

Are there gypsies in Spain?

They left india 1.500 years ago though and are under influence of other cultures since a millenia. They have a long migration track behind them and settled since centuries in various places,

Excuses. You do know you come from India, why not them? because the average Gypsy person is stupid as fuck.

they are part of Spanish culture and history just like Bullfighting.

You wish

Of course. Spain is famous for its Gypsies. Spain is the country in western europe with the most Gypsies. They are called Gitanos over there.

You wish. Spain is famous for many things, not for having a Gypsy community where most of them are delinquents.

[Mortimer]

Excuses. You do know you come from India, why not them? because the average Gypsy person is stupid as fuck.

Gypsies know that they migrated out of india. That has nothing to do with my argument whether they know it or not. All Gypsies I know are nothing stupid. Im connected to Gypsies on facebook. Im in many Gypsy Groups. And most Gypsies have facebook and internet and a quick wikipedia search can tell you that. If most africans and indians have facebook in india or africa then certainly most Gypsies have facebook in spain. But thats just something written on wikipedia not experienced since all of their ancestors since generations lived in spain. Thats why they think they are from Spain, but they know that a group of founders left india 1.500 years ago and became the gypsy ethnicity.

[Cristiano viejo]

they know that a group of founders left india 1.500 years ago and became the gypsy ethnicity.

You overestimate the intelligence of Gypsies in Spain, I see

[Mortimer]

Seems to be one of those typical small indian shops

[aherne]

Not only she passes, she looks textbook Indian. There is absolutely no way for her to pass as anything else but what she is (Indian). Interesting that her features are more typical for high caste people...

[chalcogen]

She's Norwegian Roma? She looks very dark for what I'd imagine a Roma from Northern Europe to look like. I wonder if her family migrated from Central/Southeast Europe to Norway or if her family has lived in Norway for centuries. Karoli is also a surname used by Hungarians so my assumption before watching the video was she was a Roma from Hungary. If her ancestors migrated from C/SE Europe to Norway, then its possible she isn't originally from the Karoli village. In fact, I find it unlikely she's from the Karoli village as people in South Asia don't typically use surnames based off which village they're from. It seems more likely to me that she got the surname "Karoli" in Europe and by coincidence a village with that name existed in Punjab. Regardless of if she's originally from the Karoli village or not, she is obviously originally from somewhere in that part of the world, so it ultimately doesn't make that huge of a difference. And it was nice to see her being welcomed by people who had zero personal connection to her. She passes as typical in Punjab.

Yeah my first thought was that her name reminded me of "Károlyi" in Hungarian.

I know in South India there are people who incorporate the city they were born into in their name, like this woman, but I agree that that's likely not what's happening here with her last name. It's also the wrong part of India for where her people came from.

Good that she enjoyed travelling to a place she felt a connection with though!

[Mortimer]

Yeah my first thought was that her name reminded me of "Károlyi" in Hungarian.

I know in South India there are people who incorporate the city they were born into in their name, like this woman, but I agree that that's likely not what's happening here with her last name. It's also the wrong part of India for where her people came from.

Good that she enjoyed travelling to a place she felt a connection with though!

Its not the wrong place. Roma are not from Southindia. Many studies were brought already that roma originate from the northwestern parts of india.

https://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/a...863-017-0547-x
Results
According to our analyses, Roma showed significant IBD sharing of 0.132 Mb with Northwest Indian ethnic groups. The most significant IBD sharings included ethnic groups of Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat states. However, we found also significant IBD sharing of 0.087 Mb with ethnic groups living in Pakistan, such as Balochi, Brahui, Burusho, Kalash, Makrani, Pashtun and Sindhi.
Conclusion
Our results show that Northwest India could play an important role in the South Asian ancestry of Roma, however, the origin of Romani people might include the area of Pakistan as well.

[chalcogen]

Its not the wrong place. Roma are not from Southindia. Many studies were brought already that roma originate from the northwestern parts of india.

https://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/a...863-017-0547-x
Results
According to our analyses, Roma showed significant IBD sharing of 0.132 Mb with Northwest Indian ethnic groups. The most significant IBD sharings included ethnic groups of Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat states. However, we found also significant IBD sharing of 0.087 Mb with ethnic groups living in Pakistan, such as Balochi, Brahui, Burusho, Kalash, Makrani, Pashtun and Sindhi.
Conclusion
Our results show that Northwest India could play an important role in the South Asian ancestry of Roma, however, the origin of Romani people might include the area of Pakistan as well.

Oh I just meant that Southern India isn't where they are from, not that they're not from South Asia. I know about the evidence from Northwest India, so that's why I said the southern part of India was wrong. I am not disagreeing with you. My apologies for not writing clearly!

[Mortimer]

Oh I just meant that Southern India isn't where they are from, not that they're not from South Asia. I know about the evidence from Northwest India, so that's why I said the southern part of India was wrong. I am not disagreeing with you. My apologies for not writing clearly!

Ok true. Thanks. Well roma Tradition and Practice doesnt neccessary need to align with Indian Tradition and Practice though. Because roma arent exactly Indians and they are emigrants out of india, I believe myself that probably her surname isnt of Indian origins, but if it is it could be that roma incorparated the place of their origin in their Name, eventhough Indians dont do that, roma dont neccessarily need do that exactly what Indians do. They emigrated out of india and could have for that reason incorparated the place into their Name, eventhough other Indians from that part of india dont do that. Do you know what I mean?