Dutch-German Military Cooperation: An Example For Europe?

**Westbrook** · 05-14-2019, 10:17 PM

I think tanks are a thing of the past. They'd be so easily destroyed in a real war between two modern militaries.

Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker

During the 1980s, the Netherlands had around 900 tanks. I think we should return to that number.

**The Lawspeaker** · 05-14-2019, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by Westbrook

I think tanks are a thing of the past. They'd be so easily destroyed in a real war between two modern militaries.

So what would you suggest that the Netherlands would use then ? Maybe since we're a densely populated country, we could invest in greater urban warfare capabilities ?

**Westbrook** · 05-14-2019, 10:33 PM

Well who is the enemy you're supposed to be arming against?

Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker

So what would you suggest that the Netherlands would use then ? Maybe since we're a densely populated country, we could invest in greater urban warfare capabilities ?

**The Lawspeaker** · 05-14-2019, 10:35 PM

Originally Posted by Westbrook

Well who is the enemy you're supposed to be arming against?

We're (still) in NATO so technically we're talking about the Russians here. So, yes, I think we should have a large tank force. And the MBT seems to be far from obsolete.

**Teutone** · 05-14-2019, 10:52 PM

**The Lawspeaker** · 05-14-2019, 10:52 PM

Originally Posted by Teutone

Maar niet met dit Duitsland.

Ülev · 05-14-2019, 11:01 PM

ich finde Deutsche und Holländer sollten zusammenhalten denn sie sind sehr nah verwandte Völker

**The Lawspeaker** · 05-14-2019, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by Malcolm

ich finde Deutsche und Holländer sollten zusammenhalten denn sie sind sehr nah verwandte Völker

I agree.. totally even. But we also have our own national destiny: we are a mercantile nation, the Germans are not. Mercantile peoples should only maintain an army for their own defence and a strong navy to protect their seaways.

**Westbrook** · 05-14-2019, 11:34 PM

You're never going to out-tank Russia though. It would be wiser to invest in helicopters and anti-tank measures. Generally you'll only get 1 advanced helicopter for the same cost as about 5 modern tanks, but think about how much more effective they can be.

Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker

We're (still) in NATO so technically we're talking about the Russians here. So, yes, I think we should have a large tank force. And the MBT seems to be far from obsolete.

**The Lawspeaker** · 05-14-2019, 11:48 PM

Originally Posted by Westbrook

You're never going to out-tank Russia though. It would be wiser to invest in helicopters and anti-tank measures. Generally you'll only get 1 advanced helicopter for the same cost as about 5 modern tanks, but think about how much more effective they can be.

That would mean that the Air Force needs to be expanded and the infantry needs to be refocused on urban and anti-tank warfare. That should work.