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    Qual o mais importante para vocês?

    Onde tu nasce, e local que te influência para a vida toda, a ex: culinária, clima, fala, povo, cultura etc.

    Ou a sua ascendência e de onde vem teus ancestrais? a ex: cultura, fala, etc que tu herda parcialmente deles?

    Com quantas gerações há a "quebra" da ascendencia/origem?
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    Em minha opinião é quase um 50-50, porém pendendo mais para o de naturalidade, e povo a tua volta que te influência. o que vcs pensam? Comparto da ideia de Drukheim, "o meio faz o homem"
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    Antigamente eu diria a naturalidade, mas hoje em dia considero a ancestralidade mais importante, graças a pessoas como o Malcolm X. Me sinto bem mais a vontade para falar sobre certos assuntos com pessoas mescladas e negras de qualquer parte do mundo do que com brancos, sendo suecos ou brasileiros. Apesar disso, a língua e certos traços culturais me unem aos brancos do Brasil e da Suécia, então não sou completamente contra a ideia de nacionalismo cívico. Entre os dois, me considero uns 80% favorável a ancestralidade e 20% a naturalidade.

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    Both. Even though six out of my eight great grandparents were born in Spain, my dad is Gallego, and I even lived in Spain from 12 to 24 years old, I still consider PR my home cause I was born and spent my childhood there. Although I also identify very much with my Spanishness and no doubt living there for my adolescence and early adult years had an great impact on me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by El_Jibaro View Post
    Both. Even though six out of my eight great grandparents were born in Spain, my dad is Gallego, and I even lived in Spain from 12 to 24 years old, I still consider PR my home cause I was born and spent my childhood there. Although I also identify very much with my Spanishness and no doubt living there for my adolescence and early adult years had an great impact on me.
    what if I introduce citizenship to the mix? (someone that has more than one), what would be more prevalent
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    Isso é complicado de analisar porque depende muito do país em questão. Em locais aonde existe uma solidificação cultural histórica (como o Japão ou alguns países do Leste Europeu), ambos se misturam naturalmente porque a sua origem é diretamente ligada com a sua nacionalidade.

    Agora, nos países do Novo Mundo a coisa complica bem mais, porque varia de pessoa pra pessoa. Eu diria que de um modo geral, se sua descendência é de fato próxima (até Avô/Avó) faz todo sentido a afirmação uma vez que ela é vivenciada de perto. Além disso, a naturalidade pesa mais até porque o comportamento mais próximo já foi influenciado. Eu citei o Japão, e nada mais interessante do que ver como os Dekaseguis não se adaptam no Japão mesmo alguns sendo 100% japoneses etnicamente.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kriptc06 View Post
    what if I introduce citizenship to the mix? (someone that has more than one), what would be more prevalent
    I have Spanish citizenship from birth and I still feel the same way. I would never call myself just "Spanish", but Spanish-Puerto Rican yes. My ancestry may be pretty much entirely from Spain (and recent) and I lived there for many years, but I was born in Puerto Rico and that will never change. Although with my son I just consider him Spaniard because he was born in Spain and also has a Spanish mom. However, in terms of passports, there is no PR passport since it is a US colony, so of course I like the Spanish one more because the Yanquis can go to hell . As you see on my profile, I have the rojigualda and not the American flag so this should tell you something.
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    Pois sendo filho de mãe e pai de diferentes países por mais que eles sejam super semelhantes eu me sinto praticamente 50/50 das duas nacionalidades, porém que na verdade só tenho uma delas.

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    Nowadays ancestry is much more important because all young people worldwide have been influenced by the same globalized culture and have the same dreams and live goals achievements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Erronkari View Post
    Pois sendo filho de mãe e pai de diferentes países por mais que eles sejam super semelhantes eu me sinto praticamente 50/50 das duas nacionalidades, porém que na verdade só tenho uma delas.
    Sua terceira pátria é o Brasil, pode admitir hermano lol

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