Naturalidade vs Ancestralidade?

[Andullero]

Eu sou vira lata, é praticamente uma obrigação para mim dizer a naturalidade.

[Erronkari]

Sua terceira pátria é o Brasil, pode admitir hermano lol

Aceito!!!

[Latinus]

Pra mim, naturalidade. Mas as pessoas são livres para se identificarem com o povo que sentem maior ligação, seja os conterrâneos ou os povos ancestrais.

[Kriptc06]

Pra mim, naturalidade. Mas as pessoas são livres para se identificarem com o povo que sentem maior ligação, seja os conterrâneos ou os povos ancestrais.

Isto é um pouco específico, mas uma pessoas que tem uma ancestralidade multipla, e tem duas nacionalidades, mas nasceu e viveu apenas num país só. Tu aachas que essa pessoa pode se identificar com a identidade da outra nacionalidade tranquilamente?

[Latinus]

Isto é um pouco específico, mas uma pessoas que tem uma ancestralidade multipla, e tem duas nacionalidades, mas nasceu e viveu apenas num país só. Tu aachas que essa pessoa pode se identificar com a identidade da outra nacionalidade tranquilamente?

Acho que pode. Vai de cada um.

[El_Jibaro]

Isto é um pouco específico, mas uma pessoas que tem uma ancestralidade multipla, e tem duas nacionalidades, mas nasceu e viveu apenas num país só. Tu aachas que essa pessoa pode se identificar com a identidade da outra nacionalidade tranquilamente?

I think you are the product of whatever country you grew up in, and ancestry isn't that important when it comes to everyday things. For a person like me its a bit complicated though because I grew up in two countries and I have one colonial line in the place I was born and super recent from the one I lived half my life in so I've got dual identity. Although my partner, for example, is Argentine with four Italian grandparents but has no real ties to Italy, no family there, and only has the citizenship and ancestry so in all meaningful ways she's just another Porteña. It would be fucking weird for her to label herself just "Italian" when she has only been there as a tourist and everything she knows is Argentina. She identifies with being Venetian descent, yeah, but never would she label herself just as an Italian.

[Rafael Passoni]

She is mainly an Argentinian of Italian descent, but she still being ethnicaly an Italian, Caucasian and European by blood and white to everyone around the world, and she is even much more Italian than any SSA or Chinese immigrant that was born and grew-up in Italy for sure. These SSA/Chinese immigrants will look foreigners and their children will show it on their phenotypes. She still have an relation to Italy and Europe. Nobody can denny the fact that all her great-great...grandparents were part of Europe and are buried there. I really doubt if my children born and grow-up in Japan would see as authentic Japaneses to locals, we need three elements to be an authentic local (nationality, ethnicity and culture). My children would lack the ethnicity in Japan. That's bc I like the word 'caucasian', nationality and culture open ways to make Ilegal Immigrants feel better integrated. Sayng that everyone can be everything just born and living there is a lie.

[El_Jibaro]

She is mainly an Argentinian of Italian descent, but she still being ethnicaly an Italian, Caucasian and European by blood and white to everyone around the world, and she is even much more Italian than any SSA or Chinese immigrant that was born and grew-up in Italy for sure. These SSA/Chinese immigrants will look foreigners and their children will show it on their phenotypes. She still have an relation to Italy and Europe. Nobody can denny the fact that all her great-great...grandparents were part of Europe and are buried there. I really doubt if my children born and grow-up in Japan would see as authentic Japaneses to locals, we need three elements to be an authentic local (nationality, ethnicity and culture). My children would lack the ethnicity in Japan. That's bc I like the word 'caucasian', nationality and culture open ways to make Ilegal Immigrants feel better integrated. Sayng that everyone can be everything just born and living there is a lie.

My woman is Italian-Argentinian, yes. Although she is still not the same as someone born and raised in Italy, even though she is of full descent from there and has citizenship through her grandparents. I agree in a genetic sense she is more Italian (or specifically Venetian) than someone descended from immigrants raised there, but with ethnicity there are two components, the cultural and the genetic. She was born and spent her childhood until 16 in a Spanish speaking country in South America, not Italy. Furthermore, she also used to live in Europe, but in...Spain because her parents felt more at home there because of the language, go figure

[Hawkguy]

Eu acho que um pouco dos dois. Ancestralidade influencía até um certo ponto, depois fica muito abstrato, ainda mais alguém com ancestralidade multiétnica como eu. Tenho antepassados italianos que nunca tive contato, eu tenho o direito a cidadania italiana e etc. Mesmo que em termos legais serei considerado um Italiano, em termos culturais não me considero. O mesmo vale para as partes Ibérica, Africana, Indígena e Judia que possuo.

[luc2112]

I think you are the product of whatever country you grew up in, and ancestry isn't that important when it comes to everyday things. For a person like me its a bit complicated though because I grew up in two countries and I have one colonial line in the place I was born and super recent from the one I lived half my life in so I've got dual identity. Although my partner, for example, is Argentine with four Italian grandparents but has no real ties to Italy, no family there, and only has the citizenship and ancestry so in all meaningful ways she's just another Porteña. It would be fucking weird for her to label herself just "Italian" when she has only been there as a tourist and everything she knows is Argentina. She identifies with being Venetian descent, yeah, but never would she label herself just as an Italian.

He is a direct descendant must have much influence from Italians in the family. I know direct descendants here in the south of Brazil as Germans and Slavs they do not have the same behavior as I for example ...