Naturalidade vs Ancestralidade?

[El_Jibaro]

He is a direct descendant must have much influence from Italians in the family. I know direct descendants here in the south of Brazil as Germans and Slavs they do not have the same behavior as I for example ...

Oh, sorry for such a late reply. I didn't get a notification.

Hmm, well her grandparents all speak Venetian, and they cook the food, etc, but they are mostly just a regular Argentine family. Of course being of Italian descent in Buenos Aires is very common, so its not a big deal. Like, if you speak with her grandparents who arrived in Bs.As roughly around 1940-1960 they will tell you everybody was either Spanish or Italian there. I feel like Argentina is perhaps very different to Brazil in this regard. For example most of my friends in Argentina have Italian surnames but nobody talks about Italy, and I'm only talking about the fact my wife has Italian descent because I am on a European cultural community forum, otherwise she/we don't really care about it.

[luc2112]

As roughly around 1940-1960 they will tell you everybody was either Spanish or Italian there. I feel like Argentina is perhaps very different to Brazil in this regard. For example most of my friends in Argentina have Italian surnames but nobody talks about Italy, and I'm only talking about the fact my wife has Italian descent because I am on a European cultural community forum, otherwise she/we don't really care about it.

That's not what I meant, not is deny the country of birth in relation to the country of origin. It's a family upbringing that is inherited from your parents.
Many Poles and Ukrainians in southern Brazil would barely be able to point out their countries of origin on a map, but they have a lot of influence from their ancestors.

The difference between southern Brazil and Argentina is that in Argentina they received many urban immigrants, in Brazil most of them were farmers...

[El_Jibaro]

That's not what I meant, not is deny the country of birth in relation to the country of origin. It's a family upbringing that is inherited from your parents.
Many Poles and Ukrainians in southern Brazil would barely be able to point out their countries of origin on a map, but they have a lot of influence from their ancestors.

The difference between southern brazil and argentina is that in Argentina they received many urban immigrants in Brazil most of them were farmers...

There is some influence, sure, like I mentioned with the language and food but at the same time they all just feel 100% Argentines. Even her four grandparents born in Veneto feel more Argentine than Italian at this point. I know in Brazil there are isolated communities of Veneziani and Lombardi, but in Argentina that would be really weird. I think it has to do with the amount of immigrants Argentina received in XX century. For example, in 1914 something like ~40% of the Argentine population was foreign born. If they had isolated themselves then half of the country would have lived isolated from the other half which is fucking stupid

[luc2112]

I know in Brazil there are isolated communities of Veneziani and Lombardi, but in Argentina that would be really weird. I think it has to do with the amount of immigrants Argentina received in XX century. For example, in 1914 something like ~40% of the Argentine population was foreign born. If they had isolated themselves then half of the country would have lived isolated from the other half which is fucking stupid

They are not isolated, but they founded cities in the interior of Brazil, in fact there was no other influence.
In Argentina you will find something similar with the Germans who immigrated to be farmers in the country's interior.

[Tutankhamun]

There is some influence, sure, like I mentioned with the language and food but at the same time they all just feel 100% Argentines. Even her four grandparents born in Veneto feel more Argentine than Italian at this point. I know in Brazil there are isolated communities of Veneziani and Lombardi, but in Argentina that would be really weird. I think it has to do with the amount of immigrants Argentina received in XX century. For example, in 1914 something like ~40% of the Argentine population was foreign born. If they had isolated themselves then half of the country would have lived isolated from the other half which is fucking stupid

It's not exactly isolated, they became just farmers in the interior, so much so that my Italian great-grandfather married my great-grandmother who was a Brazilian of colonial origin from the interior of the state of São Paulo, even today if you go to cities in the interior of the state of São Paulo, you will see that out of every 10 farmers at least 5 are of Italian descent.

And Brazil and Argentina received practically the same number of European immigrants, but as Argentina has a smaller population and a smaller country, it seems that they received more.

[Sebastianus Rex]

Creio que a partir da segunda geração de imigrantes a naturalidade assume preponderância. Os laços com a ancestralidade diluem-se com o tempo.

[El_Jibaro]

It's not exactly isolated, they became just farmers in the interior, so much so that my Italian great-grandfather married my great-grandmother who was a Brazilian of colonial origin from the interior of the state of São Paulo, even today if you go to cities in the interior of the state of São Paulo, you will see that out of every 10 farmers at least 5 are of Italian descent.

And Brazil and Argentina received practically the same number of European immigrants, but as Argentina has a smaller population and a smaller country, it seems that they received more.

Oh, I didn't know . I'm not that knowledgeable about Brazilian history. I know way more about Argentina than any other country when it comes to South America.

[El_Jibaro]

They are not isolated, but they founded cities in the interior of Brazil, in fact there was no other influence.
In Argentina you will find something similar with the Germans who immigrated to be farmers in the country's interior.

True, but Germans are also a huge minority in Argentina compared to Spanish and Italian descents.

I didn't know that about the interior cities in Brazil.

[El_Jibaro]

True, but Germans are a huge minority in Argentina compared to Spanish and Italian descents.

Also, many of them are not proper german descendants, but volgian-german descendants, they have a german basis genetically speaking, yes, but also they have some mix which makes them a little distinct...

[Marshall Theodore]

Ancestralidade, com certeza.

Naturalidade diz absolutamente nada sobre alguém, me sinto muito mais familiarizado com um Basco ou Catalão do que com um brasileiro de ancestralidade eslava ou libanesa, por exemplo.