Macron calls for true European army

Ülev · 11-09-2018, 11:55 AM

Luz / Une armée européenne est-elle enfin possible ? - 28 minutes - ARTE --> https://youtu.be/NZsvVXjTMC0

Ülev · 11-10-2018, 09:54 PM

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**Ruggery** · 11-11-2018, 04:16 AM

Can I ask what this alleged European army that wants to create Macron will do? Defend the sovereignty of Europe against Russia, China, the United States and let us now add to the United Kingdom that is no longer a member of the European Union?

**The Lawspeaker** · 11-11-2018, 10:03 AM

How about we dump NATO and buy our own weapons ? What Trump is actually saying is: we should buy shoddy American weapons at high interest rates. No, fuck that ! We should buy our own weapons because we can make our own.

**The Lawspeaker** · 11-11-2018, 10:15 AM

If we look at most European Armies, you'd find out that much of the armament is actually European-made. Take for instance the Dutch Army, Navy and Air Force. And many of the current orders for American equipment can be rescinded and replaced with European orders.

**~~Wanderer~~** · 11-11-2018, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker

How about we dump NATO and buy our own weapons ? What Trump is actually saying is: we should buy shoddy American weapons at high interest rates. No, fuck that ! We should buy our own weapons because we can make our own.

I've never heard American weaponry described as subpar. In fact, I believe America makes the very best weapons in the world. I can understand if you want to manufacture your own weaponry. That being said, I agree with Trump's agenda on this matter.

**The Lawspeaker** · 11-11-2018, 11:08 AM

Originally Posted by Wanderer

I've never heard American weaponry described as subpar. In fact, I believe America makes the very best weapons in the world. I can understand if you want to manufacture your own weaponry. That being said, I agree with Trump's agenda on this matter.

The F-35 comes to mind. And, yes, I believe we should leave NATO. This means that America should lose access to the European part of the Atlantic, can't pass through the Strait of Gibraltar, the Suez Canal should be closed off to them as well, they can't use European aerospace, they can't enter the Arctic Sea. Plus: they lose their bases in Greenland.

I wouldn't mind being in NATO but not with the U.S that we have seen for the last 35 years.

Ülev · 11-11-2018, 11:22 AM

https://www.defenseindustrydaily.com...or-meads-0639/

**gıulıoımpa** · 11-11-2018, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Gortazar

Macron calls for 'real European army' to defend against Russia and US

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46108633
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8619721.html
https://www.thelocal.fr/20181106/mac...-russia-and-us

he wants to put France as a leader of the armed force of europe.

and knowing france's interests its' better to keep out if it. they are no different than the USA. yes to collaboration no to banks and oil dictatorship

**~~Wanderer~~** · 11-11-2018, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker

The F-35 comes to mind. And, yes, I believe we should leave NATO. This means that America should lose access to the European part of the Atlantic, can't pass through the Strait of Gibraltar, the Suez Canal should be closed off to them as well, they can't use European aerospace, they can't enter the Arctic Sea. Plus: they lose their bases in Greenland.

I wouldn't mind being in NATO but not with the U.S that we have seen for the last 35 years.

NATO without the US would be quite absurd, since the US is practically the essence of NATO. America has the right to use Europe for our defense and military purposes, considering that we liberated it. Europeans are just going to have to live with it. None of this would have happened if Europeans weren't killing each other so often. You're lucky to be living in an era of relative peace and prosperity that has come with being an American protectorate.