Are Krajina Serbs really Vlachs?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinobad

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Ljudi moji, zalutali ste malo sa ovim terminom "Vlah", ja sam eto napravio video što UOPĆE ZNAČI termin Vlah, evo ukratko doslovno ja na videu objašnjavam:



Za one koji me se ne sjećaju na forumu, eto po struci sam Arheolog i Povijesničar, pa valjda imam pravo nešto reći na ovu i druge teme

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Ljudi moji, zalutali ste malo sa ovim terminom "Vlah", ja sam eto napravio video što UOPĆE ZNAČI termin Vlah, evo ukratko doslovno ja na videu objašnjavam:



Za one koji me se ne sjećaju na forumu, eto po struci sam Arheolog i Povijesničar, pa valjda imam pravo nešto reći na ovu i druge teme

Romanofoni Balkanci nisu nikad sami sebe nazivali Vlasima, izuzev malobrojnih Meglenskih Vlaha. Cincari sebe zovu Armanima i Ramanima, Rumuni sebe zovu Romanima, istočnosrbijanski Vlasi su sebe zvali Rumanima, a istarski Ćići Rumerima. Nazivi koje oni koriste ili su koristili za sebe uglavnom asociraju na Istočno Rimsko Carstvo (pogrešno prozvano Vizantijom) koje se zvanično zvalo Romanija ili Romeja. Turci su to modifikovali u Rumelija.
Zanimljivo da pontijski Grci svoj jezik/dijalekt zovu Romeika a ne grčki jezik, što potiče od naziva za IRC.

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Y DNA of Krajina Serbs by subregions. Лика (Lika) 196 samples, Северна Далмација (northern Dalmatia) 201 samples, Кордун (Kordun) 60 samples, Банија (Banija) 93 samples and Славонија (Slavonia) 50 samples https://iili.io/HLjO2TJ.png

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Y DNA of Krajina Serbs by subregions. Лика (Lika) 196 samples, Северна Далмација (northern Dalmatia) 201 samples, Кордун (Kordun) 60 samples, Банија (Banija) 93 samples and Славонија (Slavonia) 50 samples https://iili.io/HLjO2TJ.png

J2b-M205 is from Kriči (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriči) and N2-P189.2 from Banjani (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjani). Albo idiot trolls wrote on Wiki that Kriči were Albanian tribe, they were Romance speaking Vlach tribe who are slavized/serbified in 14/15th century. Durmitor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durmitor) where Kriči lived in the middle age is a Romance/Vlachic toponym, means sleeping place. Y DNA of Banjani might be of Cuman origin. In Lika J2b-M205 and N2-P189.2 have multiplied more biologically by chance than in other regions.

I2-Y3120 + R1a (basic Slavic combo) is above Serbian national average (which is 51-52%) in Kordun and northern Dalmatia, about average in Lika and Banija, and slightly below average in Slavonia.
Should be kept in mind that only for northern Dalmatia and Lika samples are good. For other three Krajina region are too small, especially for Kordun and Slavonia.

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Y DNA of Krajina Serbs by subregions. Лика (Lika) 196 samples, Северна Далмација (northern Dalmatia) 201 samples, Кордун (Kordun) 60 samples, Банија (Banija) 93 samples and Славонија (Slavonia) 50 samples https://iili.io/HLjO2TJ.png

J2b-M205 is from Kriči (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriči) and N2-P189.2 from Banjani (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banjani). Albo idiot trolls wrote on Wiki that Kriči were Albanian tribe, they were Romance speaking Vlach tribe who are slavized/serbified in 14/15th century. Durmitor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durmitor) where Kriči lived in the middle age is a Romance/Vlachic toponym, means sleeping place. Y DNA of Banjani might be of Cuman origin. In Lika J2b-M205 and N2-P189.2 have multiplied more biologically by chance than in other regions.

I2-Y3120 + R1a (basic Slavic combo) is above Serbian national average (which is 51-52%) in Kordun and northern Dalmatia, about average in Lika and Banija, and slightly below average in Slavonia.
Should be kept in mind that only for northern Dalmatia and Lika samples are good. For other three Krajina region are too small, especially for Kordun and Slavonia.

Krajina Serbs as whole.

600 samples
I2-Y3120 (229) = 38.2%
R1a (95) = 15.8%
E-V13 (78) = 13%
J2b-M205 (52) = 8.7%
I1 (47) = 7.8%
N-P189.2 (32) = 5.3%
R1b (27) = 4.5%
G2a (14) = 2.3%
J2a (13) = 2.2%
J1 (9) = 1.5%
J2b-M241 + Q (4) = 0.7%

I forgot to mention, i took statistic for Krajina Serbs by sub-regions from here https://forum.poreklo.rs/index.php?t...0082#msg190082

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Recently when i was in Montenegro i talked something with some older man from western Serbia. I mentioned where i live and my origin. He said that is visible on me that i am Krajišnik (Krajinian), and also 'you Krajinians are such tall and robust.'

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Serbian woman from Lika in 1842.

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People from Dalmatian hinterland both Orthodox and Catholics (Serbs & Croatians) were often marked that they are of Vlach specifically Morlach origin. Serbian DNA project performs an action of testing families from Vrlika area (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vrlika). Until now they tested 61 Serbs (60 surnames, one have 2 two different haplos), and their goal is to testing at least 100. On current sample which is not small for that area is visible domination of Slavic related haplogroups. Project is open also for Catholics of Vrlika area, but no one of them did not participate until now. Testing is free for the certain number of Vrlika families, and for others price is significantly reduced.

Vrlika area - only Orthodox/Serbs (61 samples)
I2a-Din (25) = 41%
R1a (13) = 21.3%
E-V13 (8) = 13.1%
R1b (5) = 8.2%
J2b (3) = 4.9%
N-P189.2 (3) = 4.9%
I1 (2) = 3.3%
J1 (2) = 3.3%

I2a-Din (Kričković - Maovice, Marjan - Cetina, Maljković - Maovice, Mišina - Kosore, Marčetić - Koljane, Stričević - Koljane, Tutuš - Koljane, Rnić - Otišić, Dragić - Civljane, Racić - Podosoje, Četnik - Cetina, Barišić - Cetina, Vuković - Cetina, Kostur - Civljane, Preočanin - Cetina, Ivančić - Kosore, Batica - Cetina, Bogdanović - Štikovo, Jošić - Baljci, Graovac - Štikovo, Bura - Štikovo, Poplašen - Mirlović Polje, Dević - Štikovo, Kalinić - Koljane, Vukman - Otišić)
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R1a (Arnaut - Kosore, Đurić - Maovice, Knez - Kosore, Novaković - Maovice, Primetica - Maovice, Vranješ - Cetina, Ustić - Otišić, Đukić - Cetina, Medić - Cetina, Vulić - Bitelić, Bilić - Civljane, Borković - Koljane, Eraković - Štikovo)
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E-V13 (Meljanac - Otišić, Milaš - Cetina, Pavlović - Civljane, Subotić - Otišić, Gajić - Otišić, Stojsavljević - Otišić, Crnomarković - Civljane, Đapić - Štikovo)
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R1b (Cvitkovac - Maovice, Petković - Maovice, Gargenta - Cetina, Bodrožić - Koljane, Iglendža - Koljane)
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J2b (Despinić - Otišić, Šarac - Civljane, Guševac - Kanjane)
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N-P189.2 (Garić - Koljane, Bokun - Koljane, Vetmić - Miočić)
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I1 (Bulović - Bitelić, Borković - Laktac)
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J1 (Grujić - Štikovo, Miodrag - Kanjane)
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All results were published on forum of SDP.

Novaković belong to same branch as Polish guy who originated from Lavov oblast in western Ukraine and whose ancestors were Greek-Catholics in the past, i just saw this information on Poreklo https://www.yfull.com/live/tree/R-Y238251/

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^^
Interesting, Novaković family from Maovice converted to Greek-Catholicism in 1830s together with some other Serbian families from area. Few decades later they returned to Orthodoxy.

https://history.info/did-you-know/gr...s-in-dalmatia/