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    Quote Originally Posted by Berlko2 View Post
    I would say Argentina and Uruguay, but it depends on the region of Brazil.

    Southern Brazil is more similar to Central and Northeasterm Argentina, and Uruguay. “Gaucho” culture, mostly white population, and a high degree of non-Iberian ancestry, differenciates Brazil from other Latam countries and makes it more compatible with Argentina and Uruguay.

    In the State of Santa Catarina 50% of the population has German roots, and if you add Italians and Eastern Europeans the non-Iberian pool, it’s a huge amount. Besides that, Sao Paulo is the most Italian city outside Italy.

    So, Central/Eastern European and Italian colonies, more developed, etc. = racially and culturally similar to Central (and Northeastern, especially Missiones which received lots of settlers too) Argentina and Uruguay.

    Northeastern Brazil is more like coastal Colombia (more Africans and Mullattoes, with some whites of mainly Iberian ancestry).

    North/Northwestern Brazil is more like Ecuador.
    Thing is southern Brazil is a small part of Brazil, look at a map it's almosty detached. How about the rest? Most of brazil has nothing to do with Argentina or Uruguay. You can't say Brazil is closer to us just because of little south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Annie999 View Post
    Thing is southern Brazil is a small part of Brazil, look at a map it's almosty detached. How about the rest? Most of brazil has nothing to do with Argentina or Uruguay. You can't say Brazil is closer to us just because of little south.
    I did a breakdown of Brazil by dividing it into different regions, regardless of the population.

    Southern Brazil, which includes the states of Santa Catarina, Parana and Rio Grande do Sul, is more similar to Argentina and Uruguay (culturally, racially, economically, etc.) than to other Latam countries. The region is roughly 15% of Brazilian population, with almost 30 million inhabitants, compred to Argentina’s 43m and Uruguay 3m.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaos One View Post
    I would say Uruguay since it was even a part of Brazil for some time.

    But, using a 3-model, it's hard since for example: Southern Brazil is closest to Argentina (would be closer to Uruguay in terms of phenotype IMO - São Paulo State otherwise would be more like Greater Buenos Aires area), while Northern is totally different; Some parts of Center-East like MS have more ties with Paraguay, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Annie999 View Post
    Thing is southern Brazil is a small part of Brazil, look at a map it's almosty detached. How about the rest? Most of brazil has nothing to do with Argentina or Uruguay. You can't say Brazil is closer to us just because of little south.
    Totally agree.
    And talking about Uruguay, people of Montevideo and southern Uruguay are 100% more similar with central argentinian people (I am 50/50 arg/uru arg born so I can percive that) than brazilians outside the south area. But of course if we consider south Brazil, is very very similar.

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    Uruguay and Argentina have strong ties to each other and are culturally almost the same. The most similar zone to that brotherhood is south Brazil with some silimarities, but as some brazilian previously said, they only conform 15% of the brazilian population, and a small part of the territory. It'd be stretching a lot to call Brazil similar to Arg or Uru just because of them.

    With that said Ive met several southern Brazilians in different ocassions from Porto Alegre and surroundings, that in fact they feel different to the rest of Brazil. They told me they wished they were a different country. And they were normal people, not online posters or anythig, just people I met at Couch surfing or work.
    Last edited by Annie999; 11-15-2018 at 03:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alnortedelsur View Post
    Te falto incluir Venezuela. En Venezuela encuentras tambien en abundancia, casi todo lo que encuentras en Brasil, excepto Japoneses. Desde negros y griffes, pasando por triraciales y mestizos en diversos grados, que podrian pasar facilmente por Brasileros mulatos, triraciales o caboclos, y tambien una considerable poblacion blanca/quasi-blanca, compuesta casi de la misma manera que la poblacion blanca de Brazil: mayormente Espanoles, Italianos y Portuguses, mas algunos descendientes de Alemanes (aunque estos en bastante menos proporcion que los descendientes de Alemanes entre los blancos Brasileros). Lo unico que no hay casi descendientes de Polacos entre los blancos Venezolanos, aparte de algunos pocos Judio-Polacos. Por supuesto, los blancos Venezolanos ocupan un menor porcentaje entre la poblacion Venezolana que los blancos en Brazil, pero aun asi, su porcentaje tampoco es despreciable.
    De hecho me atreveria a decir que la poblacion venezolana se parece mucho a la poblacion puertorriqueña en casi todo respecto. Hasta el acento me parece casi igual a lo de Puerto Rico. ¿Verdad? Que tú crees?

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    "northern Brazil is culturally more similar to Colombia and Venezuela. In the west to Peru and Bolivia..."

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    Brazil has nothing to do with Peru or Bolivia

    even Argentina have more to do with them, on Northern regions and Andean like Salta

    about Colombia and Venezuela, just some really small parts of Amezonian forest

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    Quote Originally Posted by tekken999 View Post
    De hecho me atreveria a decir que la poblacion venezolana se parece mucho a la poblacion puertorriqueña en casi todo respecto. Hasta el acento me parece casi igual a lo de Puerto Rico. ¿Verdad? Que tú crees?
    Si, tambien pienso que la poblacion de ambos paises es bastante paracida, aunque salvando ciertas diferencias como:

    Que en Venezuela quizas encuentras mas extremos de gente muy negra o griffe, como tambien mas gente que luce muy blanca, mas un buen numero de gente que luce my tirando a Amerindia o indo mestiza (de lo cual, esto ultimo no ha de haberlo casi en Puerto Rico). No he visitado Puerto Rico, pero digo esto basado en lo que me cuenta mi madre, que estuvo en un crucero que hizo parada en Puerto Rico, y observo que en PR habia menos de esos extrtemos, y que eran en general algo mas homogeneos que los Venezolanos. Eso tambien concuerda con lo que me comento una vez el usuario puertorriqueño Birdman, que tambien ha estado en Venezuela.

    Que Puerto Rico tiene algo mas de aporte Europeo en la mezcla general de su poblacion que Venezuela (aunque no una gran diferencia), mientras que Venezuela tiene considerablemente mas aporte Amerindio. El aporte Africano vendria siendo similar en ambos paises, creo.

    Que por lo mismo de tener mas aporte Amerindio que Puerto Rico, en Venezuela encuentras mas fenotipos mestizos o pseudo-mestizos que en Puerto Rico.

    Que la poblacion blanca/casi blanca de Venezuela es algo mas variada en su origen Europeo, contando con muchos descendientes de Italianos y Portugueses, aparte de Españoles, mas algunos descendientes de Alemanes. Se que Puerto Rico tambien recibio algo de inmigracion de Corcega, pero aun asi, la poblacion blanca Puertoriquena es mas predominantemente Española que la poblacion blanca Venezolana que es predominantemente Española (mayormente originaria de Canarias y Galicia), Portuguesa e Italiana.

    En cuanto al acento, concuerdo en que ambos acentos tienen un deje bastante parecido, aunque los Venezolanos no substituyen las Rs por Ls como hacen los Puertorriqueños. Yo diria que el acento Venezolano "estandard"(porque en realidad existen varios acentos regionales dentro de Venezuela) es mas bien como algo intermedio entre el acento Puertorriqueño y los acentos Colombianos Andinos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alnortedelsur View Post
    Te falto incluir Venezuela. En Venezuela encuentras tambien en abundancia, casi todo lo que encuentras en Brasil, excepto Japoneses. Desde negros y griffes, pasando por triraciales y mestizos en diversos grados, que podrian pasar facilmente por Brasileros mulatos, triraciales o caboclos, y tambien una considerable poblacion blanca/quasi-blanca, compuesta casi de la misma manera que la poblacion blanca de Brazil: mayormente Espanoles, Italianos y Portuguses, mas algunos descendientes de Alemanes (aunque estos en bastante menos proporcion que los descendientes de Alemanes entre los blancos Brasileros). Lo unico que no hay casi descendientes de Polacos entre los blancos Venezolanos, aparte de algunos pocos Judio-Polacos. Por supuesto, los blancos Venezolanos ocupan un menor porcentaje entre la poblacion Venezolana que los blancos en Brazil, pero aun asi, su porcentaje tampoco es despreciable.
    Sí, Panamá-Brasil-Venezuela son, en ese orden, los países más diversos del Hemisferio Occidental.

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