Is the Ancient Greek civilization basically the first indoeuropean civilization directly from Yamna?

[Caveat Emptor]

Once the Hellenic Indoeuropeans arrived from the Yamnaya homeland? Or was Ancient Greece as we understand it fully "up and running" before the indoeuropean migration?

[Blondie]

I think their ancestors arrived from Caucasus -> East Europe -> Balkans

[Caveat Emptor]

I think their ancestors arrived from Caucasus -> East Europe -> Balkans

It was the Yamnaya wasn't it? Or was it some other indoeuropean group - the direct ancestors of Hellenics?

[gıulıoımpa]

Acheans Dorians and Ionians were the three ethno realities that displacesd more Neolithic realted Pelasgians/minoans, from proto greek we know they were a distinct reality for quite some time before...more than that who knows

[Caveat Emptor]

Acheans Dorians and Ionians were the three ethno realities that displacesd more Neolithic realted Pelasgians/minoans, from proto greek we know they were a distinct reality for quite some time before...more than that who knows

So the Ancient Greek civilization that we read about in the books preceded even the indoeuropean hellenic Greeks?

[Blondie]

It was the Yamnaya wasn't it? Or was it some other indoeuropean group - the direct ancestors of Hellenics?

Yamnaya was r1a, the greek marker is j2a1 which is caucasian.

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Yamnaya was r1a, the greek marker is j2a1 which is caucasian.

Were they indoeuropeans as in speakers of an indoeuropean language? Hellenic is indoeuropean, or is Ancient Greece a pre-indoeuropean civilization altogether which the indoeuropeans later joined (the Hellenic people)? Sorry my historical knowledge is rather limited - I learn as I ask these questions

[Blondie]

Were they indoeuropeans as in speakers of an indoeuropean language? Hellenic is indoeuropean, or is Ancient Greece a pre-indoeuropean civilization altogether which the indoeuropeans later joined (the Hellenic people)? Sorry my historical knowledge is rather limited - I learn as I ask these questions

I don't know but i like the ancient greek history. One of my favorite book is Odyssey

[gıulıoımpa]

So the Ancient Greek civilization that we read about in the books preceded even the indoeuropean hellenic Greeks?

No, only the minoans

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No, only the minoans

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So mostly Hellenic indoeuropeans but not from Yamnaya?