Who looks more alike: Colombians and Venezuelans or Argentinians and Uruguayans?

[Septentrion]

Let us discuss.

What's a simple question? Wow? Haven't you ever heard of geographical proximity? Argentinians are more likely to be similar to the Uruguayans and the same would apply to the Columbians and Venezuelans. Nevertheless, it doesn't mean that they are identical. They are as a whole anyway a Mixed-race people.

Columbian Genome:
38% Southern Europe ( White Caucasoid)
28% Native American ( Amerindian)
17% Western and Central Africa (Negroid)
6% Northern Africa ( Brown Caucasoid)
4% Western and Central Europe (White Caucasoid)
2% Asia Minor ( Brown Caucasoid)
2% Southern Africa ( Negroid)
2% Great Britain and Ireland (White Caucasoid)

Argentinian Genome:
28% Southern Europe ( White Caucasoid)
27% Native American ( Amerindian)
21% Western and Central Europe ( White Caucasoid)
9% Western and Central Africa (Negroid)
5% Northern Africa ( Brown Caucasoid)
4% Asia Minor ( Brown Caucasoid)
3% Great Britain and Ireland ( White Caucasoid)

[alnortedelsur]

It's hard to decide.

Both Colombia and Venezuela have very similar overall European, Amerindian and African input, but differently distributed on each country.

Colombia is more segregated: like 70% of its population living in its Andean regions, where most people are mestizos in diverse proportions (including many Euro mestizos) and good numbers of whites, the Colombian llanos are mostly mestizo, the pacific coast is almost full African, and the Caribbean coast is mostly mulatto/triracial.

Venezuela on the other hand is more triracial on average, but triracial leaning towards mestizo. The black influence is more concentrated towards the coasts (with exceptions of states like Zulia, Falcon and Nueva Esparta, that are on average more mestizo than expected for being coastal states) and tends to decrease towards the interior of the country where mestizo/pseudo-mestizo phenotypes become more common. Then, the Venezuelan Andes are very similar to the Colombian Andes (specially to the most Euro parts of the Colombian Andes), though they only represent around 10% of the Venezuelan population. Large cities located in the central Northern region like Caracas, Maracay and Valencia, and many of their satellite cities have significant white an mestizo populations, with a middle and upper class with many whites and Euro mestizos, but also many triracials and and some griffes due to their proximity to the coasts.

As it can be seen, both countries are very similar and very different at the same time.

In the case of Argentina and Uruguay, Uruguay is almost a carbon copy of the Argentinean Pampean provinces (Buenos Aires, Santa Fe, Entre Rios, Cordoba, La Pampa) but in many interior provinces of this country, mestizos and harnizos are more widespread than in Uruguay.

I vote for "Both in equal measure", though I might be wrong.

[Zuh]

I perfectly pass in Colombia Puerto Rico Venezuela .

[Tooting Carmen]

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[RMuller]

Venezuela on the other hand is more triracial on average, but triracial leaning towards mestizo. The black influence is more concentrated towards the coasts (with exceptions of states like Zulia, Falcon and Nueva Esparta, that are on average more mestizo than expected for being coastal states) and tends to decrease towards the interior of the country where mestizo/pseudo-mestizo phenotypes become more common. Then, the Venezuelan Andes are very similar to the Colombian Andes (specially to the most Euro parts of the Colombian Andes), though they only represent around 10% of the Venezuelan population. Large cities located in the central Northern region like Caracas, Maracay and Valencia, and many of their satellite cities have significant white an mestizo populations, with a middle and upper class with many whites and Euro mestizos, but also many triracials and and some griffes due to their proximity to the coasts.

Im interestead in seeing pictures of Venezuelan phenotypes by regions like you described.

[alnortedelsur]

Im interestead in seeing pictures of Venezuelan phenotypes by regions like you described.

You know I have posted plenty of videos and pictures of Venezuelans before, but here it goes what I mean...

I will start with Caracas, which has about the same racial composition as other large cities from the Northern Central region located close to the coasts, but not in the coast itself, like Maracay and Valencia. So this would also apply to those cities.

These two videos represent the lower class from Caracas that massively votes for PSUV (the political party of Chavez/Maduro):

This is a drive through "Catia", which is a low income neighborhood from Caracas, full of slums:



And this is a meeting from Maduro, full of very low class people, in Caracas:



These other two videos show a more balanced sampling of people from Caracas of very different social classes :


Very crowded centric avenues, frequented by people from all social classes (watch in Youtube):



Massive public concert, attended by Venezuelan youths from Caracas, of all social classes:



These other two videos show Venezuelans of middle to upper class from Caracas:


High school event:



Rock band free concert in a mostly middle class district in the east of Caracas, mostly attended by middle to upper class people. Lots of whites and Euro mestizos, but also some triracials here and there, in part because there are some triracials in the middle and upper classes, but also because it is an open concert, and everybody could get in there:



And then, more to the interior of the country, mestizo/mestizoid looks are more commonplace in the general population, with less extremes of both very SSA mixed people and very Euro-looking people compared to the large cities of the Northern Central regions. These videos correspond with very common people, lots of them of lower class and working class. Even if its true that some triracials can be seen here and there, the overall SSA input in the general population is much less, even in the low/working classes.


Both videos correspond to Barinas state, in the Venezuelan llanos (central plains of the country):

[Valedictorian]

As you have already said Uruguay is a carbon copy of the Argentinian Pampa provinces. I haven't been to either Argentina or Uruguay but they are both countries that have been heavily influenced by Italian/French/German influence, thus they are obviously much more similar racially and culturally than Colombia and Venezuela. I for one can't really tell apart the Argentinian and Uruguayan accent, so there's that.
If we were talking only about the Atlantic coast of Colombia, then I would say that Colombia resembles Venezuela the most (bear in mind, only the Atlantic coast). Costenos are just like Venezolanos in my opinion; both culturally (do I really have to say that their culture is overwhelmingly Caribbean?) and racially. You will find many Cachacos who agree with me.

[Tooting Carmen]

As you have already said Uruguay is a carbon copy of the Argentinian Pampa provinces. I haven't been to either Argentina or Uruguay but they are both countries that have been heavily influenced by Italian/French/German influence, thus they are obviously much more similar racially and culturally than Colombia and Venezuela. I for one can't really tell apart the Argentinian and Uruguayan accent, so there's that.
If we were talking only about the Atlantic coast of Colombia, then I would say that Colombia resembles Venezuela the most (bear in mind, only the Atlantic coast). Costenos are just like Venezolanos in my opinion; both culturally (do I really have to say that their culture is overwhelmingly Caribbean?) and racially. You will find many Cachacos who agree with me.

Not all of Venezuela is as Black/Mulatto as either of Colombia's coasts, that's the point.

[alnortedelsur]

As you have already said Uruguay is a carbon copy of the Argentinian Pampa provinces. I haven't been to either Argentina or Uruguay but they are both countries that have been heavily influenced by Italian/French/German influence, thus they are obviously much more similar racially and culturally than Colombia and Venezuela. I for one can't really tell apart the Argentinian and Uruguayan accent, so there's that.
If we were talking only about the Atlantic coast of Colombia, then I would say that Colombia resembles Venezuela the most (bear in mind, only the Atlantic coast). Costenos are just like Venezolanos in my opinion; both culturally (do I really have to say that their culture is overwhelmingly Caribbean?) and racially. You will find many Cachacos who agree with me.

the large cities from the northern Central Venezuelan region, like Caracas Maracay and Valencia are not as much "plain Caribbean" as the Colombian Caribbean coasts. These Venezuelan cities are located close to the Caribbean coast, but not in the coast itself. These cities are located in inner valleys, surrounded by mountains, and have also received an important European immigration (mostly Spanish, Italian and Portuguese) and many mestizos from inner Venezuelan regions.

The Venezuelan llanos (around 15% of the Venezuelan population) are like the Colombian llanos, and the Venezuelan Andes (and I acknowledge that it only represents 10% of the Venezuelan population) are very similar to the Andean Colombian region of Santander, and is full of lots of whites/near whites and Euro mestizos and hardly any SSA input.

And then we have that the Venezuelan state of Lara (5% of the Venezuelan population), in Central Western Venezuela, where Barquisimeto (the fourth largest Venezuelan city) is located, is mostly mestizo/mestizoid and is nothing like the Colombian Caribbean coast. And the coastal states of Nueva Esparta, Falcon and Zulia are also mostly mestizo/mestizoid, and much less SSA than the Colombian Caribbean coast.

Venezuela is more like a version of ALL COLOMBIA mixed altogether, with less clear racial separation between regions strictly white/mestizo and regions strictly black/mulatto as it happens in Colombia, and that's it. Is like if you take ALL COLOMBIA, including ALSO its Andean regions, mix it up in a blender, and the result would be something very similar to Venezuela.

Claiming that Venezuela (which is already a large country. We are no talking here about a small Caribbean island) as a whole only resembles the Colombian Caribbean coast is a very idiotic and over-simplistic affirmation.

[Tooting Carmen]

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