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Thread: Genetically, should Malta be considered part of the Sicilian population?

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    Default Genetically, should Malta be considered part of the Sicilian population?

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    All of my Sicilian GEDmatch IDs from Agrigento and Caltanissetta have far more cousin matches with Maltese than they do with other southern Italians and even other Sicilians, which means that the Maltese are a recent offshoot of the Sicilian population.

    If you take someone from Agrigento and run them through GEDmatch's One to Many, all their top matches are Maltese.

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    Yes. Piccola Sicilia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarLFC View Post
    Yes. Piccola Sicilia.
    What I have yet to see is what people from Pantelleria, Lampedusa, etc. are like (the small islands between Sicily and Malta). Pantelleria spoke a dialect of Maltese until fairly recently also. I can't imagine they'd be any different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    Yes or no?

    All of my Sicilian GEDmatch IDs from Agrigento and Caltanissetta have far more cousin matches with Maltese than they do with other southern Italians and even other Sicilians, which means that the Maltese are a recent offshoot of the Sicilian population.

    If you take someone from Agrigento and run them through GEDmatch's One to Many, all their top matches are Maltese.
    Interesting, i don't know much about Malta but i think you are right since Malta is a small island on the Mediterranean and the only thing that is close to it is Scicily, so it makes sense based on all these things mentioned that most of Maltese are mediterranids on phenotype and similar to Scilians in genetics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    What I have yet to see is what people from Pantelleria, Lampedusa, etc. are like (the small islands between Sicily and Malta). Pantelleria spoke a dialect of Maltese until fairly recently also. I can't imagine they'd be any different.
    If Maltese are an extension of Sicily or even vice versa(you could in fact be Maltese) then I imagine the islands between them would be identical.

    I want your honest answer: at what point does Italy start to seem foreign to you? North? Central? Sardegna? Napoli?

    And also at what point are Sicilians viewed as terrone and non Italiano?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarLFC View Post
    If Maltese are an extension of Sicily or even vice versa(you could in fact be Maltese) then I imagine the islands between them would be identical.

    I want your honest answer: at what point does Italy start to seem foreign to you? North? Central? Sardegna? Napoli?

    And also at what point are Sicilians viewed as terrone and non Italiano?
    PS. I think Malta has heavy overlap with Cyprus too

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolsonaro View Post
    Interesting, i don't know much about Malta but i think you are right since Malta is a small island on the Mediterranean and it the only thing that is close to it is Scicily, so it makes sense based on all these things mentioned that most of Maltese are are mediterranids on phenotype and similar to Scilians in genetics
    23andme has a Maltese category considered a subset of their Italian category. Some Sicilians come up as Maltese rather than Italian on that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarLFC View Post
    If Maltese are an extension of Sicily or even vice versa(you could in fact be Maltese) then I imagine the islands between them would be identical.

    I want your honest answer: at what point does Italy start to seem foreign to you? North? Central? Sardegna? Napoli?

    And also at what point are Sicilians viewed as terrone and non Italiano?
    I am American but if you mean moving north in Italy when do I think it distinctly feels not like the far south, probably in the northern parts of Campania and Abruzzo is when it begins feeling more like central Italy.

    Provincial identities in Italy are not as strong as they used to be, but I would say northern Italians in general do not have favorable views of the south likely for economic reasons.

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    Genetically, yes.

    Are there cultural differences between Siclians and Maltese people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I am American but if you mean moving north in Italy when do I think it distinctly feels not like the far south, probably in the northern parts of Campania and Abruzzo.

    Provincial identities in Italy are not as strong as they used to be, but I would say northern Italians in general do not have favorable views of the south likely for economic reasons.
    In other words nobody from the north is going to gaze at you and say "vafanculo negro merda" as if you're some Moroccan.

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