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Thread: Genetically, should Malta be considered part of the Sicilian population?

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    No the Maltese had their own ethnogenesis even if they are very close to Sicilians genetically. Plus their language was originally dialect of Arabic before it morphed into Maltese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    No the Maltese had their own ethnogenesis even if they are very close to Sicilians genetically. Plus their language was originally dialect of Arabic before it morphed into Maltese.
    Can they be considered Arabs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mingle View Post
    Genetically, yes.

    Are there cultural differences between Siclians and Maltese people?
    Linguistically, yes. Otherwise no, not really, except for British influences.

    Quote Originally Posted by StonyArabia View Post
    No the Maltese had their own ethnogenesis even if they are very close to Sicilians genetically. Plus their language was originally dialect of Arabic before it morphed into Maltese.
    Their language is a dialect of Arabic that originated in Sicily, from Tunisian Arabic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarLFC View Post
    Can they be considered Arabs?
    No they are to different religiously and culturally. Its really up to them if they want to, but I see them as very distant "relatives"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    23andme has a Maltese category considered a subset of their Italian category. Some Sicilians come up as Maltese rather than Italian on that.
    Like Scicily, are there many east meds in Malta too? If so, then they are indeed very similar

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    They call their language "siculo-arabic". I guess at one point they would have been considered Arabs given that they spoke Arabic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolsonaro View Post
    Like Scicily, are there many east meds in Malta too? If yes, they are indeed very similar
    They look Sicilian but not in a Greek-like way... they look like people from the west of the island more or less which is where they came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolsonaro View Post
    Like Scicily, are there many east meds in Malta too? If yes, they are indeed very similar
    They look Sicilian but not in a Greek-like way... they look like people from the west of the island more or less which is where they came from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarLFC View Post
    They call their language "siculo-arabic". I guess at one point they would have been considered Arabs given that they spoke Arabic.
    I think calling it a separate language from Arabic is inaccurate. Additionally, Siculo-Arabic had another descendant, which was spoken in Pantelleria but died out in the 1900s. See the town names in Pantelleria, they look similar to in Malta. (Panetelleria is considered part of Sicily still).

    "Bukkuram" "Bugeber" "Rekhale" all look like town names from Malta.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sikeliot View Post
    I think calling it a separate language from Arabic is inaccurate. Additionally, Siculo-Arabic had another descendant, which was spoken in Pantelleria but died out in the 1900s. See the town names in Pantelleria, they look similar to in Malta. (Panetelleria is considered part of Sicily still).
    I would say that Maltese is separate from Arabic in the same way that Standard Italian is separate from Latin. Standard Italian is derived from a dialect of Vulgar Latin, but its considered a distinct language from Latin due to the low level of mutual intelligibility between Latin and Italian. Similarly, Maltese is derived from a regional dialect of Classical Arabic, but its low level of mutual intelligibility makes it a different language. In short, its "Arabish", but not proper Arabic.

    Although the same could technically be said for some Arabic dialects like Tunisian (closest dialect to Maltese), so its partly a question of politics. The reason why Maltese is usually considered a separate language from Arabic though is because Maltese has its own standardized register whereas other dialects descended from Classical Arabic are considered crude forms of Standard Arabic as opposed to given their own official status or standardization and the line has to be drawn somewhere. In a way, its not really wrong to call it Arabic, but its different enough from Standard Arabic to be called a separate language.

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