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    Hey Lukasz, now with me/my mother's full results in hand, does a SW shifted Hungarian still make the most sense as a theoretical result for my father?

    It's interesting because:
    1 of his grandparents was born in SW Hungary.
    2 were born in NE Hungary.
    And one birthplace is unknown but I found possible record matches for baptism in central Hungary and in Cluj-Napoca (which was within Hungarian borders when she was born in 1875).
    Last edited by Mr.G; 11-25-2018 at 10:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post
    Anyone else have a take how the high South Central Asian component might be acquired in a Hungarian?
    I read the report, and your father had definitely an unusually high Central Asian component for a Modern Hungarian. My explanations would only be that his forefathers mixed less with Pannonian Slavs and Germans, thus preserving more of the Old Hungarian steppe genes, or maybe also there were many Cumans among his ancestors at one point.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    I read the report, and your father had definitely an unusually high Central Asian component for a Modern Hungarian. My explanations would only be that his forefathers mixed less with Pannonian Slavs and Germans, thus preserving more of the Old Hungarian steppe genes, or maybe also there were many Cumans among his ancestors at one point.
    I really guess Cumans / Yas.

    BTW there are some early Hungarian genomes somewhere to check?
    K36 Ancestry Report (nMonte3 & Admix4 oracles, correlation map, PCA, MDS, dendrogram)
    www.lm-genetics.ovh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunai View Post
    I read the report, and your father had definitely an unusually high Central Asian component for a Modern Hungarian. My explanations would only be that his forefathers mixed less with Pannonian Slavs and Germans, thus preserving more of the Old Hungarian steppe genes, or maybe also there were many Cumans among his ancestors at one point.
    Both of those seem like excellent hypotheses. Another member here said something to me like, "Old Magyars are whispering to you perhaps.". I really liked that. Besides the SCA, my father was some mix of German, Slavic, and Balkan genes. I am trying to figure out the breakdown but it's tough because I'm working with my DNA which is heavily Germanized by my mother.
    Last edited by Mr.G; 01-12-2019 at 05:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukaszM View Post
    Although his vsalues are quite theoretical he was generally SW shifted for Hunagrian (hence Slovenia)
    Slovenia more southern shifted than Hungary ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post
    "Old Magyars are whispering to you perhaps.".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    I can't hear please repeat
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    Quote Originally Posted by LukaszM View Post
    I really guess Cumans / Yas.

    BTW there are some early Hungarian genomes somewhere to check?
    Isn't it interesting he scores SCA but not Siberian? DA179 alerted me actually. Low SCA, less Siberian. It is very rare for Turks.


    DA23, Kipchak, Central steppe (1167 AD),


    Population
    Amerindian 0.85
    Arabian -
    Armenian -
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro -
    East_African -
    East_Asian 8.12
    East_Balkan 3.15
    East_Central_Asian 12.06
    East_Central_Euro 2.49
    East_Med -
    Eastern_Euro 6.48
    Fennoscandian 8.30
    French 4.02
    Iberian -
    Indo-Chinese -
    Italian -
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern -
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic -
    North_Caucasian 2.02
    North_Sea 6.16
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian 38.57
    South_Asian -
    South_Central_Asian 5.94
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 1.84
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian -
    West_Med -


    DA179, Kipchak, Central steppe (1018-1218 AD)

    Population
    Amerindian -
    Arabian 6.84
    Armenian -
    Basque -
    Central_African -
    Central_Euro 2.87
    East_African -
    East_Asian 9.35
    East_Balkan 4.27
    East_Central_Asian 4.26
    East_Central_Euro 3.21
    East_Med 9.95
    Eastern_Euro 5.62
    Fennoscandian -
    French 0.80
    Iberian 2.55
    Indo-Chinese 2.53
    Italian 2.88
    Malayan -
    Near_Eastern 1.38
    North_African -
    North_Atlantic 2.44
    North_Caucasian 14.19
    North_Sea 3.60
    Northeast_African -
    Oceanian -
    Omotic -
    Pygmy -
    Siberian 3.59
    South_Asian 3.80
    South_Central_Asian 12.36
    South_Chinese -
    Volga-Ural 0.18
    West_African -
    West_Caucasian 3.31
    West_Med -
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Yes, exactly like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.G View Post
    Hey Lukasz, now with me/my mother's full results in hand, does a SW shifted Hungarian still make the most sense as a theoretical result for my father?

    It's interesting because:
    1 of his grandparents was born in SW Hungary.
    2 were born in NE Hungary.
    And one birthplace is unknown but I found possible record matches for baptism in central Hungary and in Cluj-Napoca (which was within Hungarian borders when she was born in 1875).
    I've done some research since I wrote that, I was a little off.

    My father's maternal side was from SomogySimonyi and Sagvar (SW Hungary). His paternal grandfather was born in Ungvar, and his paternal grandmother was likely from there as well (NE Hungary). They all (my great-grandparents) immigrated to the US in the 1900's to a Hungarian community that no longer exists.

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