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    Quote Originally Posted by SharpFork View Post
    Probably West Germanic, I mean most of Austrasia is still West Germanic and we are 3 centuries into the creation of the Frankish kingdom.
    Saxons were West Germanic, but I take your point and agree it's likely that the bulk of Frankish armies (if not the elites) were Celto-Germanic mixed by that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Saxons were West Germanic, but I take your point and agree it's likely that the bulk of Frankish armies (if not the elites) were Celto-Germanic mixed by that point.
    I meant West German genetically, AFAIK the genetic border between West German and South Dutch vs North German and North Dutch roughly follows the borders of the Franks with Frisians and Saxons in the early 8th century, I find that a good indication of the pattern.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaleoEuropean View Post
    Language means nothing, peasants don't speak court languages, Farmers didn't need to speak French, they were out in the mud doing work all day not rubbing elbow with their Frankish rulers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Creoda View Post
    Saxons were West Germanic, but I take your point and agree it's likely that the bulk of Frankish armies (if not the elites) were Celto-Germanic mixed by that point.
    There wasn't enough time for a generalized mixture though. It is likely that the warrior elite was still largely Scandinavian-like, as in the case of the Longobards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    There wasn't enough time for a generalized mixture though. It is likely that the warrior elite was still largely Scandinavian-like, as in the case of the Longobards.
    can you post your DNA results?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    There wasn't enough time for a generalized mixture though. It is likely that the warrior elite was still largely Scandinavian-like, as in the case of the Longobards.
    How long do you think it would have taken for the Anglo-Saxon admixture in England to become relatively consistent and similar to modern English people?

    Do you believe the later English aristocracy of the 9th-11th Centuries (Alfred, Athelstan, Edmund the Martyr, Lady Godiva, Ethelred etc) were still mostly/nearly completely Germanic?
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