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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    I explained already, with Ottomans support in 17th century you settled in Kosovo.
    The ottoman census of 16th century shows Kosova, especially the western parts, predominantly Albanian (wholly actually) and Catholic at majority judging by their family names. If anything, Ottomans actually helped serbs considering that sultans themselves had serbian mothers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    I explained already, with Ottomans support in 17th century you settled in Kosovo.
    Then explain the mention of Albanians in western Kosovo during the 14th century? Your own documents and census shows Albanians in Kosovo far before the 17th century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Then explain the mention of Albanians in western Kosovo during the 14th century? Your own documents and census shows Albanians in Kosovo far before the 17th century.
    Ottoman Census apparently shows Vast Serbian majority in Kosovo in 16th century, is that true?

    Albanians had only 50~ houses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Then explain the mention of Albanians in western Kosovo during the 14th century? Your own documents and census shows Albanians in Kosovo far before the 17th century.
    If you said Albanians were mentioned to live between rivers White Drin and Lim that is very small part around Montenegro border, isn't it? What about rest of Kosovo?
    I don't deny your presence in Kosovo in medieval Serbia, you were known as Arbanasi, but during Ottomans many of you who adopted Islam got more lands and settlements in other parts of Kosovo, that were Serbian before that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Ottoman Census apparently shows Vast Serbian majority in Kosovo in 16th century, is that true?

    Albanians had only 50~ houses.
    Depends on area, certain areas like Opoja had an Albanian majority whilst places like Gora seemed to have a Slavic majority. Anyways, my question was on the Albanian presence 14th century if you didn't realise, so don't try and switch subjects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    If you said Albanians were mentioned to live between rivers White Drin and Lim that is very small part around Montenegro border, isn't it? What about rest of Kosovo?
    I don't deny your presence in Kosovo in medieval Serbia, you were known as Arbanasi, but during Ottomans many of you who adopted Islam got more lands and settlements in other parts of Kosovo, that were Serbian before that.
    They were also mentioned around the Prizren area, SW Kosovo. About 9 villages were noted in 1348 Prizren to have been Albanian inhabited. Albanians were also settled in the area around Decani or Gjakova going by how Albanians and Vlachs were among the labour force used to construct and maintain the monastery in Decan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    They were also mentioned around the Prizren area, SW Kosovo. About 9 villages were noted in 1348 Prizren to have been Albanian inhabited. Albanians were also settled in the area around Decani or Gjakova going by how Albanians and Vlachs were among the labour force used to construct and maintain the monastery in Decan.
    Now you try to stress how supposed you built Serbian monastery so it must be yours, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moje ime View Post
    Now you try to stress how supposed you built Serbian monastery so it must be yours, right?
    Nobody was going to say that, don't be jumping to conclusions now. I only mentioned that we were among the labour force, the monasteries were still built by the Serbian state
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Ottoman Census apparently shows Vast Serbian majority in Kosovo in 16th century, is that true?

    Albanians had only 50~ houses.
    Wrong, only about dozen serb families have been recorded in the 16th century on the villages what is now known as Dukagjin, basically western Kosova. Here is the 1571 Census, see for yourself.
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