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    What Is Socialism?
    Michael S. Rozeff
    November 27, 2018

    Socialism occurs whenever a government has a controlling role in producing goods or distributing goods. Goods are things that satisfy human wants. (This definition of goods includes services as goods.)

    Governments control territories and their inhabitants by force. This means that the voluntary production and distribution of goods that involves no force being used by cooperating persons is not socialism. If people voluntarily get together to build a barn or to make computers or to aid the poor, these endeavors are not governmental in nature and not socialism. They are social, but that has little import since so much of what human beings do is inherently social.

    By the above definition, socialism involves the involuntary. It involves the unwilling or forced participation of some people who are made to participate by government, which involves other people doing the controlling.

    By the definition above, every government is socialistic to a greater or lesser degree. This is the reality and a point in favor of the definition.

    Other definitions obscure the socialism inherent in government. For example, a web definition reads “a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”

    What’s wrong with the preceding web definition? Socialism is not only a theory, and it is not only a normative theory. Socialism is not implemented by communities as a whole but by governments made up of specific people. Communities as a whole do not exist. Socialism is not an all or none thing, that is, it exists along a continuum of 0 percent government ownership and control of production and distribution to 100 percent such ownership and control. If we observe that a government doesn’t (fully) own the means of production, that does not mean that the government is not socialistic.

    There need not be any ambiguity whatsoever in describing all the activities of governments as socialistic or as examples of socialism. When a government taxes (net) taxpayers as all governments do, the government people invariably decide what to do with the proceeds. These decisions necessarily involve either producing or distributing goods or both. This is socialism. If government people establish a ceiling price for apartment rent, this necessarily involves the production and distribution of goods. This is socialism occurring. If the government uses taxes to build missiles and drop them on Syria, socialism is occurring.

    Socialism is a practice, not simply a theory, not simply an ideal, not simply what various governments did in the past who had “Socialist” in their names. It is not simply what “democratic socialists” of today advocate or say is socialism. Socialism is a pervasive practice that we see spread over the entire world.

    Socialism, which involves involuntary human action via governments, co-exists with voluntary human action that occurs conceptually outside the realm of government control. Government regulation of economic activity is so widespread, however, that there is almost no free market activity, conceptually speaking, that is untouched by socialism.

    Still, it is essential in analyzing socialism vs. free markets to distinguish these two opposing ways of organizing human social behavior. And, for that purpose, we need a clear understanding of what socialism is, which is any degree of government control over the production and/or distribution of goods.

    By this understanding, the Soviet Union was socialist in high degree as was the German government of the 1930s. American governments are far more socialist today than in 1900, as measured by the taxes taken by those governments as a fraction of total income.

    Single-payer health care is clearly more socialist than the current system, which in turn is more socialist than the production of health care in 1940.

    There is no need to get into debates over whether or not a government-enacted measure of control or a government is or is not socialist. They all are, to a greater or lesser degree. There is no need to debate varieties of socialism or Marxism or obscure theories, not when what we need is a clear understanding among great masses of people as to what socialism is and is not.

    Socialism is basically control over the economic decisions of many people by a small set of government people. Its opposite is free markets, which is control over economic decisions on a voluntary basis using a price system and a division of labor that arises in an unforced way.

    There is a lot more that has been said about why socialism is to be avoided and free markets preferred. There is a lot more to be said about controls that are social in nature, or that leak over into government control. These lie beyond the scope of this blog.

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    Socialism's attraction has always been grounded in a combination of wishful thinking and ignorance.

    Socialism’s Record Has Been Pain, Not Gain (Especially for the Poor)
    Capitalism, not socialism, has lifted over a billion people out of poverty worldwide since 1990.
    Monday, November 26, 2018

    https://nalert.blogspot.com/2018/11/...-been.html?m=1

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    If you want a line at which socialism begins I think the best place to draw it is when the provision of services becomes more important than the ability to pay for them.

    Social democracy is where the ability to pay for services is more important than rolling out unsustainable services.

    In my opinion classical conservatism and classical liberalism cannot allow for a large government - they are for a few small functions like law, police and diplomacy.

    Right now in Britain the Conservative Party has just moved over into the socialism category. They have dropped any pretenses on even social democratic restraint as their voting block is too dependent on government. The Conservative Party now has more support from working class, than Labour. Thus, The Conservative Party is the labour party and The Labour Party is the socialist party, led by two communists. The Conservative block's two main components are the working class and the old. The former are dependent on all manner of government programs and the latter are dependent on pensions and the NHS.

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    True socialism has never been built. In fact, it was an experiment on people, conducted too early. Socialism must mature independently within capitalism, this is the next formation of society. The Soviet Union tried to introduce socialism through violence, but socialism was not yet in people's heads, it was only in the pages of books. Nobody knew how all this works in practice, the rules changed on the go.
    But for the pilot project, the success was too great, and this must be repeated in the future. But there is one obstacle: a person with high moral character and discipline is needed for socialism, and we are moving further and further away from it. But the end of capitalism is not far off, it is already turning into fascism, and this is the final stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimean View Post
    True socialism has never been built. In fact, it was an experiment on people, conducted too early. Socialism must mature independently within capitalism, this is the next formation of society. The Soviet Union tried to introduce socialism through violence, but socialism was not yet in people's heads, it was only in the pages of books. Nobody knew how all this works in practice, the rules changed on the go.
    But for the pilot project, the success was too great, and this must be repeated in the future. But there is one obstacle: a person with high moral character and discipline is needed for socialism, and we are moving further and further away from it. But the end of capitalism is not far off, it is already turning into fascism, and this is the final stage.
    kkk Did you red the Comunist Party Manifest? Marx said that a lot of people need to be killed (britons, etc). His theory about surplus value and labor theory of value already is answered - it is a joke. Not matter if your accept it or no. Marx put comunism as the final stage of the humanity, but it will not never happen. Privade property is not steal into itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catarinense1998 View Post
    kkk Did you red the Comunist Party Manifest? Marx said that a lot of people need to be killed (britons, etc). His theory about surplus value and labor theory of value already is answered - it is a joke. Not matter if your accept it or no. Marx put comunism as the final stage of the humanity, but it will not never happen. Privade property is not steal into itself.
    Your brain is washed with capitalist propaganda.
    Imagine a situation - human labor is no longer needed and robots work instead of humans.
    Under socialism and communism, a person will be provided with a monetary allowance and the price of goods will fall. After all, a person lives on the planet for the sake of sustaining life, and not for the sake of the "owner."
    The capitalists will simply kill the "extra" people with poverty.

    The main problem of socialism is to create a mechanism preventing the degeneration of the administrative and economic elite into capitalists. Stalin could, but he was killed.

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    Socialism is evil masquerading as virtue.



    Wake up and smell the coffee.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker View Post
    Socialism is evil masquerading as virtue.
    I also thought so when I almost fell under the influence of liberal heresy.
    As a smart person (yes, I think so) call the state system as friendly as possible for a simple honest hard worker and providing a stable future for his children, if such a system exists, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimean View Post
    I also thought so when I almost fell under the influence of liberal heresy.
    As a smart person (yes, I think so) call the state system as friendly as possible for a simple honest hard worker and providing a stable future for his children, if such a system exists, of course.
    I consider the State to be my mortal enemy. Indeed: it's the same state that seeks to eradicate and replace my people on a purely racial basis, Would I want such a state in control of my life ? Would I give all power to the most hardline pro-multiculturalists (the Reds) ? My answer is, most definitely, no. There are no bigger traitors to the working classes than the Reds. Liberals, at least, are honest in their hatred of the poor. The Left merely cynically used them for their own ends.

    I wouldn't want such people in control of a car... much less the whole country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimean View Post
    Your brain is washed with capitalist propaganda.
    Imagine a situation - human labor is no longer needed and robots work instead of humans.
    Under socialism and communism, a person will be provided with a monetary allowance and the price of goods will fall. After all, a person lives on the planet for the sake of sustaining life, and not for the sake of the "owner."
    The capitalists will simply kill the "extra" people with poverty.

    The main problem of socialism is to create a mechanism preventing the degeneration of the administrative and economic elite into capitalists. Stalin could, but he was killed.
    So, it is not comunism so. How can you take theories from XIX century to fix our issues in XXI century? The middle class does not fit in Marx dualism, between ruler and explored.

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