America vs. China: Whose side are you on?

[Joe McCarthy]

Recently economist and former Reagan administration official Paul Craig Roberts warned that war could erupt between the US and China over US intervention in Libya, etc. Assuming war breaks out, who should win?

[Psychonaut]

inb4 a certain Dutchman welcomes his new Chinese overlords...

[Joe McCarthy]

inb4 a certain Dutchman welcomes his new Chinese overlords...

Yeah, we already know where he stands, but I have a feeling this poll may get more non-votes than votes, if you get my drift...

[The Ripper]

It should be a Pyrrhic victory that would send both powers plummeting out of the way of a re-emerging European Bloc, ready to claim its rightful place as belly button of the world.

[Oreka Bailoak]

It should be a Pyrrhic victory that would send both powers plummeting out of the way of a re-emerging European Bloc, ready to claim its rightful place as belly button of the world.

Economically if the US and China both fall then Europe will be weakened through less demand for European products and less supply of US/Chinese products.

Economics is not a zero-sum game. When one country benefits the others do as well.

It's like a pie- if you take China and US out that doesn't mean that other countries get bigger pieces of the pie- instead it means that the entire pie shrinks.

There isn't going to be a war between the US and China- it just wouldn't be economically beneficial to either side. China is content with its growth and growing influence around the world.

And if there was a war, I don't see a point in sacrificing my life for a country that wouldn't appreciate it. I have more important things to do in life regardless of who controls McDonalds, Wallmart and Coca-cola.

[The Ripper]

Economically if the US and China both fall then Europe will be weakened through less demand for European products and less supply of US/Chinese products.

Economics is not a zero-sum game. When one country benefits the others do as well.

It's like a pie- if you take China and US out that doesn't mean that other countries get bigger pieces of the pie- instead it means that the entire pie shrinks.

There isn't going to be a war between the US and China- it just wouldn't be economically beneficial to either side. China is content with its growth and growing influence around the world.

This is just another America, Fuck Yeah! -thread, where Joe can tell us unashamed anti-Americans how American cultural marxism and economic imperialism will save European civilization from the Yellow Peril.

[Oreka Bailoak]

unashamed anti-Americans

How are you anti-american? Do you mean that you don't like our corporations? Or you don't like capitalism? This is just such a general word and I don't know what you mean.

how American cultural marxism and economic imperialism will save European civilization from the Yellow Peril.

Cultural marxism is a bad thing obviously. But I don't see how it can be blamed on America for European Cultural Marxism. If your country doesn't like it then do no allow it into your society. It seems to me that most Europeans are favorable or indifferent to cultural marxism than those like me and you who hate it- which is why the problem exists.

Economic imperialism. What do you mean by that word? You mean McDonalds and Wallmart? Actually those companies are cutting costs more than other companies and benefiting the consumers creating a social benefit (the small amount of money people save totals up into a huge number that society benefits by). If you don't certain companies and want to take them out of society then you will increase inefficiency and hurt the consumer. Once you pull out this American company, this German company, this company and that company, and a few more then the damage becomes very large to the average consumer. The cost of living will increase, wages will decrease, etc. etc. This "invisible hand" example exists in capitalism (once anti-trust/anti-monopoly laws have been passed). And this is why American incomes (and incomes in countries that allow corporations) are higher than most other countries that try to command their economies.

[Joe McCarthy]

It should be a Pyrrhic victory that would send both powers plummeting out of the way of a re-emerging European Bloc, ready to claim its rightful place as belly button of the world.

Ahhh, a Machiavellian after my own heart (though Machiavelli actually thought in terms that are realistic). Should war erupt over this Middle East business France and Britain are sure to be involved on the US side, as well as other European states, including possibly your own. Some will even send troops.

[Arne]

At least China didn´t acted as an Invader, Usa does it various uncounted Times,
Korea,Japan,Vietnam,Afghanistan,Irak,Germany,yugoslavia...
The way how Americans are patriots let them often join the army and to die for Big Companies requesting OIL.
That´s the Opinion why we here think not too good of americans.

[Barreldriver]

I would support the USA naturally because I don't want to see a Chinese army running rampant throughout my home town if ground battles make it to US soil. As much as I disagree with a lot that the USA has done and has been founded on I have to look out for the interest of my homestead and my family and in order to do so I cannot show any support for the Chinese if a war breaks out.