TMRCA of my haplogroup was around year 247 AD

[Peterski]

According to YTree estimates, Mr. L617, our ancestor, lived around year 247 AD:

https://www.ytree.net/DisplayTree.php?blockID=618

This is much younger than TMRCA for L617 according to YFull.

But it makes more sense to me because L617 is not very numerous.

If it was really as old as YFull claims, there would be more of us.

Also the distribution of L617 match perfectly with Vandals and Lugians.

Perhaps it emerged around 247 AD somewhere near the Vistula or Warta Rivers.

[Peterski]

TMRCA estimates according to YTree website:

R1b-DF27 - year 2565 BC
R1b-ZZ12 - year 2227 BC
R1b-Z2552 - year 1040 BC
R1b-L617 - year 247 AD

[Peterski]

TMRCA estimates according to YTree website:

(...)
R1b-L617 - year 247 AD

YFull claims that we are much older (ca. 1580 BC), I wonder why?:

[Peterski]

This is apparently where Vandals / Lugians lived in 247 AD:



Check "Barbarian Tsunami", publication in English:

http://www.mpov.uw.edu.pl/userfiles/...etzokladka.pdf

http://www.mpov.uw.edu.pl/en/

[Joso]

Amazing

[tipirneni]

Do you get any big match on GED from north Africa?

[Wrong]

Probably the inventor of yogurt.

[Peterski]

Mr. L617 could as well be a Roman soldier helping the Lugii against the Suevi (Suebi). Check this article:

http://archaeologyinbulgaria.com/201...kujawy-region/ - in English

http://naukawpolsce.pap.pl/aktualnos...terenie-polski

^^^
"Based on the writings of Cassius Dio, Emperor Domitian sent 100 cavalry as support for the Lugii in their war against the Suevi. We cannot exclude the possibility that some of discovered items were parts of equipment of those soldiers." - say archaeologists.

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Also during Emperor Nero's reign, there was Roman expedition to the Baltic Sea for amber, and they reached the Baltic Sea.

Pliny (XXXVII, 45) wrote:

"There is still living a member of the equestrian order, who was sent thither by Julianus, the manager of the gladiatorial exhibitions for the Emperor Nero, to procure a supply of this article. Traversing the coasts of that country and visiting the various markets there, he brought back amber, in such vast quantities, as to admit of the nets, which are used for protecting the podium against the wild beasts, being studded with amber."

Source: book "Vistula Amne Discreta. Greek and Latin sources to the oldest history of Poland".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Road

Map: https://i.imgur.com/TPPQpPU.jpg

[Peterski]

The Vandals marched from Poland all the way to Iberia:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...on_406-418.png



Procopius, "History of the Wars", III, XXII, 13-16 wrote about those Vandals who stayed in their previous homeland:

"(...) Now as for those Vandals who remained in their native land, neither remembrance nor any name of them has been preserved to my time. (...) they were either overpowered by the neighbouring barbarians [Slavs] or they were mingled with them [Slavs] not at all unwillingly and their name gave way to that of their conquerors. Indeed, when the Vandals were conquered at that time by Belisarius, no thought occurred to them to go from there to their ancestral homes. For they were not able to convey themselves suddenly from Libya to Europe, especially as they had no ships at hand, but paid the penalty [2] there for all the wrongs they had done the Romans and especially the Zacynthians. (...)"

But later during the Early Middle Ages, there was still some remembrance, because many sources called Poles Vandals.

For example:

Adam of Bremen wrote the following about West Slavs (in what is now East Germany, Poland and Czechia):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_of_Bremen

"Sclavania igitur, amplissima Germaniae provintia, a Winulis incolitur, qui olim dicti sum Wandali; decies maior esse fertur nostra Saxonia, presertim si Boemiam et eos, qui trans Oddaram sunt, Polanos, quaia nec habitu nec lingua discrepant, in partem adiecreris Sclavaniae."

In English:

"Slavia, the largest province of Germania, is inhabited by Winuls [Wends?], who used to be called Vandals. They say that it is larger than our Saxony, especially if we include to Slavia also Bohemians and Polans on the other side of the Oder, who are no different in language or custom."

Gerhard of Augsburg in his "Miracula Sancti Oudalrici" (written in 983-993) referred to Mieszko I of Poland as "dux Wandalorum, Misico nomine" (in English: "duke of the Vandals, called Misico"): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mieszko_I_of_Poland

In general in multiple Early Medieval sources, the name Poles was used synonymously with the name Vandals.

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Helmold of Bosau, "Chronica Slavorum" ("Chronicle of the Slavs"):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmold

Excerpts from Chapter 1, "About the Division of the Slavs":

"(...) Numerous are Slavic nations living along the coast of the Baltic Sea. (...) Around this sea dwell many nations; namely the Danes and the Swedes who are called Normans by us, and who occupy the northern coast. (...) The southern coast is inhabited by Slavic nations; first of them are the Russians; then come the Poles who have Prussians to the north of them, Czechs to the south of them and those who call themselves Moravians and Sorbs. (...) [Slavic] nations are embelished by the sign of Christ. Already for a long time Rus belongs to the believing countries. And Rus is called Ostrogard by the Danes (...) The same country is also called Hunigard, because it is believed that there the Huns had their original seats. And the capital city of this country is Kiev. I have no idea which missionaries converted Ruthenians to the holy faith. But I know for sure one thing, namely that - as it seems - in their customs they are similar to Greeks rather than to Latinists. And the Rus Sea [Black Sea] is a short water bridge to Greece. (...) Bohemia has a king and warlike knights; they have a lot of churches and the people are dedicated to religious practices. Bohemia is divided into two bishoprics - Prague and Olomouc. Poland is a great country of Slavic people; it borders - as they say - with Ruthenia. It is divided into eight bishoprics - Gniezno, Poznań, Włocławek, Płock, Cracow, Wrocław, Lubusz [Lebus] and Wolin. In the past Poland had kings, but now it is ruled by dukes. The kinds of weapons and the methods of combat used by the Poles are the same as those of the Czechs. Called to war, the Poles are brave in battle (...)"

[Peterski]

^^^
Our "dux Wandalorum Misico" could be R1b too, if there were no NPEs between him and these guys:

http://scienceinpoland.pap.pl/en/new...n-princes.html

Interesting that according to the legendary story of the dynasty's origin, the dynasty was descended from a simple commoner (Piast the Wheelwright, or Piast the Farmer - depending on version of the story) who took power from older legendary dynasty, the Popielids.

Piast could also be a maior domus at the court of the Popielids (Polish word for maiordomus is piastun).

There is analogy with Charles Martel, who was also not of royal blood (Carolingians started their career as mayors of the palace at the Merovingian court).