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Thread: IF Arabs are Semites, then aren't Iranians, pakistanis, Indians, and afghans, Indo-Europeans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Karitiana is Amerindian, Nganassan is Siberian. Iberomaurusian is proportional to his Iberian ancestry. I don't know how typical these results are.
    Global 25 should have individual samples that you can run on nMonte. Just run them individually and post them here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarLFC View Post
    Global 25 should have individual samples that you can run on nMonte. Just run them individually and post them here.
    Global25 has no Brazilian samples. By the way, here are some Armenians for you:

    Cluster 1

    [1] "distance%=2.982"

    Armenian:armenia102

    Armenia_EBA,39.4
    Levant_BA_North,29.8
    Armenia_MLBA,26.4
    Anatolia_BA,4.4

    [1] "distance%=2.8713"

    Armenian:armenia86

    Armenia_EBA,43.8
    Levant_BA_North,20
    Anatolia_BA,19.6
    Armenia_MLBA,15.2
    Sintashta_MLBA,1.4

    [1] "distance%=3.0493"

    Armenian:GS000035124

    Levant_BA_North,31.8
    Armenia_EBA,31.4
    Armenia_MLBA,26.6
    Anatolia_BA,10.2

    Cluster 2

    [1] "distance%=2.0478"

    Armenian:armenia139

    Armenia_EBA,41.8
    Levant_BA_North,38.4
    Anatolia_BA,16
    Armenia_MLBA,3.8

    [1] "distance%=2.2812"

    Armenian:armenia176

    Armenia_EBA,63.6
    Anatolia_BA,18.8
    Levant_BA_South,17.4
    Sintashta_MLBA,0.2

    [1] "distance%=1.422"

    Armenian:armenia279

    Armenia_EBA,48.2
    Levant_BA_North,37.4
    Anatolia_BA,12.4
    Armenia_MLBA,2

    [1] "distance%=2.6575"

    Armenian:GS000035125

    Armenia_EBA,53.2
    Levant_BA_North,43.4
    Anatolia_BA,1.8
    Sintashta_MLBA,1.6

    F4-stats of Armenia MLBA.

    Yoruba Sintashta Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000676 Z 1.395
    Yoruba Potapovka Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000459 Z 1.275
    Yoruba Corded_Ware_CE Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000383 Z 0.933
    Yoruba Poltavka Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000373 Z 0.814
    Yoruba Andronovo Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000214 Z 0.486

    Like in Brazil, there seems to be a strong regional sub-structure in Armenia so your claims of a homogeneous genetic group doesn't seems to hold ground in light of genomics. Cluster 2 seems to have very tiny to no steppe admixture. Armenia_MLBA are in all likelihood your Indo-European ancestors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NarLFC View Post
    Global 25 should have individual samples that you can run on nMonte. Just run them individually and post them here.
    Lol dude dont suck up to these guys man. They're simply using steppe as the only indicator for your ancestry. The point of this thread is to show that these groups, despite lacking steppe admixture, are still Indo-europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    Lol dude dont suck up to these guys man. They're simply using steppe as the only indicator for your ancestry.
    No sucking up, just genuine interest in genetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Global25 has no Brazilian samples. By the way, here are some Armenians for you:

    Cluster 1

    [1] "distance%=2.982"

    Armenian:armenia102

    Armenia_EBA,39.4
    Levant_BA_North,29.8
    Armenia_MLBA,26.4
    Anatolia_BA,4.4

    [1] "distance%=2.8713"

    Armenian:armenia86

    Armenia_EBA,43.8
    Levant_BA_North,20
    Anatolia_BA,19.6
    Armenia_MLBA,15.2
    Sintashta_MLBA,1.4

    [1] "distance%=3.0493"

    Armenian:GS000035124

    Levant_BA_North,31.8
    Armenia_EBA,31.4
    Armenia_MLBA,26.6
    Anatolia_BA,10.2

    Cluster 2

    [1] "distance%=2.0478"

    Armenian:armenia139

    Armenia_EBA,41.8
    Levant_BA_North,38.4
    Anatolia_BA,16
    Armenia_MLBA,3.8

    [1] "distance%=2.2812"

    Armenian:armenia176

    Armenia_EBA,63.6
    Anatolia_BA,18.8
    Levant_BA_South,17.4
    Sintashta_MLBA,0.2

    [1] "distance%=1.422"

    Armenian:armenia279

    Armenia_EBA,48.2
    Levant_BA_North,37.4
    Anatolia_BA,12.4
    Armenia_MLBA,2

    [1] "distance%=2.6575"

    Armenian:GS000035125

    Armenia_EBA,53.2
    Levant_BA_North,43.4
    Anatolia_BA,1.8
    Sintashta_MLBA,1.6

    F4-stats of Armenia MLBA.

    Yoruba Sintashta Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000676 Z 1.395
    Yoruba Potapovka Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000459 Z 1.275
    Yoruba Corded_Ware_CE Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000383 Z 0.933
    Yoruba Poltavka Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000373 Z 0.814
    Yoruba Andronovo Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000214 Z 0.486

    Like in Brazil, there seems to be a strong regional sub-structure in Armenia so your claims of a homogeneous genetic group doesn't seems to hold ground in light of genomics. Cluster 2 seems to have very tiny to no steppe admixture. Armenia_MLBA are in all likelihood your Indo-European ancestors.
    I meant genetic homogeneity in a racial context. Btw, our genetic diversity is the reason why I feel we arent being represented as accurately as we should be. It's the reason why I messaged you, remember?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Global25 has no Brazilian samples. By the way, here are some Armenians for you:

    Cluster 1

    [1] "distance%=2.982"

    Armenian:armenia102

    Armenia_EBA,39.4
    Levant_BA_North,29.8
    Armenia_MLBA,26.4
    Anatolia_BA,4.4

    [1] "distance%=2.8713"

    Armenian:armenia86

    Armenia_EBA,43.8
    Levant_BA_North,20
    Anatolia_BA,19.6
    Armenia_MLBA,15.2
    Sintashta_MLBA,1.4

    [1] "distance%=3.0493"

    Armenian:GS000035124

    Levant_BA_North,31.8
    Armenia_EBA,31.4
    Armenia_MLBA,26.6
    Anatolia_BA,10.2

    Cluster 2

    [1] "distance%=2.0478"

    Armenian:armenia139

    Armenia_EBA,41.8
    Levant_BA_North,38.4
    Anatolia_BA,16
    Armenia_MLBA,3.8

    [1] "distance%=2.2812"

    Armenian:armenia176

    Armenia_EBA,63.6
    Anatolia_BA,18.8
    Levant_BA_South,17.4
    Sintashta_MLBA,0.2

    [1] "distance%=1.422"

    Armenian:armenia279

    Armenia_EBA,48.2
    Levant_BA_North,37.4
    Anatolia_BA,12.4
    Armenia_MLBA,2

    [1] "distance%=2.6575"

    Armenian:GS000035125

    Armenia_EBA,53.2
    Levant_BA_North,43.4
    Anatolia_BA,1.8
    Sintashta_MLBA,1.6

    F4-stats of Armenia MLBA.

    Yoruba Sintashta Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000676 Z 1.395
    Yoruba Potapovka Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000459 Z 1.275
    Yoruba Corded_Ware_CE Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000383 Z 0.933
    Yoruba Poltavka Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000373 Z 0.814
    Yoruba Andronovo Armenia_EBA Armenia_MLBA f4 0.000214 Z 0.486

    Like in Brazil, there seems to be a strong regional sub-structure in Armenia so your claims of a homogeneous genetic group doesn't seems to hold ground in light of genomics. Cluster 2 seems to have very tiny to no steppe admixture. Armenia_MLBA are in all likelihood your Indo-European ancestors.
    Can you give me the individual admixture averages based off these components?

    CHG,
    Barcin_N,
    Seh_Gabi_ChL,
    Levant_N,
    Yamnaya_Kalmykia,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babak View Post
    Or are Indo-european speaking near-easterners just OWD and are Semites instead?
    They are tradionaly seen as Indo European

    Only genetically people might think so because at least recently many people have the notion that Indo Europeans originaly were only light people
    who invaded these countries and imposed their language on a local pre Indoeuropean population.

    I don't know if anyone can realy prove or disprove this notion

    Even Hitler viewed Iranians as Indoeuropeans despited that he was a Nordicist and thought of blond
    Nordics as Indoeuropeans in their purest ancient form he accepted that Indoeuropean can have also other phenotypes


    In the Bible Japhet had 3 sons
    Shem,Japhet and Ham

    The Semitic speaking people are descended from Sem and the Indoeupean speaking ones from Japhet
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