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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    MDLP 23

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Serb_Serbia_ @ 4.891865
    2 Montenegrian_ @ 5.123010
    3 Serb_BH_ @ 5.771439
    4 Croat_ @ 6.442669
    5 Bosnian_ @ 6.492367
    6 Hungarian_Budapest_ @ 7.316673
    7 Macedonian_ @ 7.452105
    8 Austrian_ @ 7.992090
    9 Bulgarian_ @ 7.996101
    10 Hungarian_ @ 8.636503
    11 Croat_BH_ @ 8.641397
    12 Slovenian_ @ 8.930889
    13 German_East_ @ 9.651109
    14 Czech_ @ 10.056395
    15 German-Volga_ @ 10.660328
    16 South_German_ @ 11.325769
    17 Gagauz_ @ 12.901126
    18 Dutch_ @ 13.012399
    19 North_German_ @ 13.019816
    20 Slovak_ @ 13.085639

    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Balt_ +50% Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 2.803852
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    I don't know which languages Illyrians used, but I am absolutely sure that Thracians (Ras) spoke Balto-Slavic languages and that Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians who are genetically homogeneous are those people.

    Cause Thracian language is documented to some degree, Illyrian isn't.
    Thracian language was clearly Balto-Slavic-like

    balios (Thracian), baltus (Luthuanian), belo (Serbian), white (English)
    zilma (Thracian), zelme (Latvian), zelen (Serbian), greens (English)
    udra (Thracian), ūdra (Lithanian), vidra (Serbian), otter (English)
    gin (Thracian), gnins (Latvian), gnjiti (Serbian), spoil, decay (English)
    brink (Thracian), brinkti (Lithuanian), breknuti (Serbian), swell (English)
    kiri (Thracian), giria, gire (Lithuanian), gora (Serbian), mountain forest (English)
    saltas, zaldas (Thracian), zelt (Latvian), zlato (Serbian), gold (English)
    zum, zuml (Thracian), zmaj, zmija (Serbian), dragon, snake (English)
    laza (Thracian), laz, lazina (Serbian), clearing in forest (English)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpatz View Post
    Thracian language was clearly Balto-Slavic-like

    balios (Thracian), baltus (Luthuanian), belo (Serbian), white (English)
    zilma (Thracian), zelme (Latvian), zelen (Serbian), greens (English)
    udra (Thracian), ūdra (Lithanian), vidra (Serbian), otter (English)
    gin (Thracian), gnins (Latvian), gnjiti (Serbian), spoil, decay (English)
    brink (Thracian), brinkti (Lithuanian), breknuti (Serbian), swell (English)
    kiri (Thracian), giria, gire (Lithuanian), gora (Serbian), mountain forest (English)
    saltas, zaldas (Thracian), zelt (Latvian), zlato (Serbian), gold (English)
    zum, zuml (Thracian), zmaj, zmija (Serbian), dragon, snake (English)
    laza (Thracian), laz, lazina (Serbian), clearing in forest (English)
    Satem confirmed. What about Dacian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carpatz View Post
    Thracian language was clearly Balto-Slavic-like

    balios (Thracian), baltus (Luthuanian), belo (Serbian), white (English)
    zilma (Thracian), zelme (Latvian), zelen (Serbian), greens (English)
    udra (Thracian), ūdra (Lithanian), vidra (Serbian), otter (English)
    gin (Thracian), gnins (Latvian), gnjiti (Serbian), spoil, decay (English)
    brink (Thracian), brinkti (Lithuanian), breknuti (Serbian), swell (English)
    kiri (Thracian), giria, gire (Lithuanian), gora (Serbian), mountain forest (English)
    saltas, zaldas (Thracian), zelt (Latvian), zlato (Serbian), gold (English)
    zum, zuml (Thracian), zmaj, zmija (Serbian), dragon, snake (English)
    laza (Thracian), laz, lazina (Serbian), clearing in forest (English)
    It did share many similarities with Balto-Slavic. I would say it was much closer to Baltic than Slavic though. It's probable that other non-Hellenic Paleo-Balkan languages were similar to Balto-Slavic, this is going by the fact that Albanian shares similarities with that group and so does Daco-Thracian. Though I don't think we can say that it actually was a Balto-Slavic language.
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Satem confirmed. What about Dacian?
    Dacians spoke two languages like people in Serbia.

    In Serbia 15th century Latin and Serbian were both popular, but later Serbian was enforced while Latin discouraged (Church Schism issues etc..) eventually Latin speakers
    were all been taken back in Serbian.

    Dacians knew Slavic language, Vlad Dracula spoke Slavic language but a lot of people knew Latin and eventually they abandoned Slavic and became Latin-only, that could have happened in Serbia as well.

    True language of Dacians before Roman Empire was Slavic, but they in remembrance of Trajan, Galerius and others contiuned speaking Latin.

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    http://www.kroraina.com/thrac_lang/thrac_9.html. I don't agree with the summary part, but it does give decent examples of cognates with Thracian
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    The Albanians, these tigers of mountain wars ... have as their religion rebellion. Even their worst warrior is one of the strongest and bravest on the battle-field, just as if he was a knight on the legendary horse. But he has no horse, nor proper weapons for battle. Instead of the horse, he has a lance which strikes as lightning, he has spears who's points are full of posion as the sting of hornets, he has also a wooden bow with some arrows. Furthermore, he is stronger than iron ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    http://www.kroraina.com/thrac_lang/thrac_9.html. I don't agree with the summary part, but it does give decent examples of cognates with Thracian



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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    It did share many similarities with Balto-Slavic. I would say it was much closer to Baltic than Slavic though. It's probable that other non-Hellenic Paleo-Balkan languages were similar to Balto-Slavic, this is going by the fact that Albanian shares similarities with that group and so does Daco-Thracian. Though I don't think we can say that it actually was a Balto-Slavic language.
    But today's so-called Slavs are Balto-Slavs basically. All Slavs, including southern Slavs, get a good chunk of Baltic admixture. Another example, Ruoka(Latvian), Ranka(Lithuanian), Ruka(Serbo-Croatian), Hand(English)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Knowing is a complete battle, there is nothing more to it. History is History and should be regarded as such.

    Bosniaks and modern Serbs will never be a single ethnicity ever again, religious differences and historical wounds are beyond repair.

    But as I said that should not be a reason not to cooperate on many levels. We do descend from the same group of people and history
    and should fight together against those who want to steal it.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pribislav View Post
    Go back to Orthodoxy islamized Serbs, and we will be one again!
    Let's not start that all over again. It's done, accept reality and move on.. .learn to live with people of different beliefs.

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