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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Bosniaks are speaking Proper Serbian language (ask anyone) in fact people in Serbia are speaking inproper "Southern Serbian" language.

    Nemanjić spoke like Bosniaks (excluding people from Sarajevo), ijekavica is older and more correct way of expression than ekavica.
    Bosniaks are islamized Serbs. All your ydna are belong to us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Bosniaks are islamized Serbs. All your ydna are belong to us.
    Bosniaks are Serbs who have disconnected from Serbian Orthodox community due being different now. .

    It's not all about DNA after all, nobody in Bosnia and Serbia recognize me as a Serb due being descendant of Ottoman Serbs, after all
    Serbian identity is built upon the fight against Ottoman Serbs.

    But we should explore our distant history together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Bosniaks are Serbs who have disconnected from Serbian Orthodox community due being different now. .

    It's not all about DNA after all, nobody in Bosnia and Serbia recognize me as a Serb due being descendant of Ottoman Serbs, after all
    Serbian identity is built upon the fight against Ottoman Serbs.

    But we should explore our distant history together.
    Knowing is half the battle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    Serbian identity is built upon the fight against Ottoman Serbs.
    Being Greek is an experienced grounded into nation, not consumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dick View Post
    Knowing is half the battle.
    Knowing is a complete battle, there is nothing more to it. History is History and should be regarded as such.

    Bosniaks and modern Serbs will never be a single ethnicity ever again, religious differences and historical wounds are beyond repair.

    But as I said that should not be a reason not to cooperate on many levels. We do descend from the same group of people and history
    and should fight together against those who want to steal it.

    Cheers

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    Whoever wrote that book was high on crack
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    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Whoever wrote that book was high on crack
    How about Strabon in his Book VII citing Aelius Sextus Cato says:

    "Sed Getae unius Linguae cum Dacis erant. Edem utuntur cum Dacia lingua Getae. Thracia vero, seu Getica, seu Sarmatica."

    "Gaetae had the same language as Dacians, truly Thracian, Dacian and Sarmatian"

    Appendini is quoting Ovid namely his Elegian Book 3 (eleg 14.) where Ovid says that he learned Thracian and Scythian language and that
    he can write words like Gaetae. Francesco Maria Appendini after further research concludes that:

    "Sarmaticam vero fuisse eamdem ac Geticam, sic ille ostendit.."
    - Language of Sarmatians and Gaetae are the same.

    and Ovid said: (Trist V, Eleg 12) "Jam didici Getice, Sarmaticque loqi" - I already learned two languages (of Gaetae and Sarmatian)

    You can't denounce Ovid and Strabon as lunatics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosniensis View Post
    How about Strabon in his Book VII citing Aelius Sextus Cato says:

    "Sed Getae unius Linguae cum Dacis erant. Edem utuntur cum Dacia lingua Getae. Thracia vero, seu Getica, seu Sarmatica."

    "Gaetae had the same language as Dacians, truly Thracian, Dacian and Sarmatian"

    Appendini is quoting Ovid namely his Elegian Book 3 (eleg 14.) where Ovid says that he learned Thracian and Scythian language and that
    he can write words like Gaetae. Francesco Maria Appendini after further research concludes that:

    "Sarmaticam vero fuisse eamdem ac Geticam, sic ille ostendit.."
    - Language of Sarmatians and Gaetae are the same.

    and Ovid said: (Trist V, Eleg 12) "Jam didici Getice, Sarmaticque loqi" - I already learned two languages (of Gaetae and Sarmatian)

    You can't denounce Ovid and Strabon as lunatics.
    Them guys were on that old school hemp. Seriously though, if they actually wrote that then I doubt their credibility. The Illyrians wouldn't have been proud of their language as they didn't have a unified identity, they didn't see each other as "Illyrians". No evidence of Illyrians inhabiting areas in Poland or areas that were also inhabited by Sarmatians. They were practically confined to the western Balkans, Messapic groups in Italy may have been Illyrian but they may also have been some other Balkan group. Iranic was never spoken in the western Balkans by classical populations, the same goes for the rest of the Balkans.
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    - Ibn Kemal, Historian of the Turkish court during Skanderbeg's war against the Turks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelmendasi View Post
    Them guys were on that old school hemp. Seriously though, if they actually wrote that then I doubt their credibility. The Illyrians wouldn't have been proud of their language as they didn't have a unified identity, they didn't see each other as "Illyrians". No evidence of Illyrians inhabiting areas in Poland or areas that were also inhabited by Sarmatians. They were practically confined to the western Balkans, Messapic groups in Italy may have been Illyrian but they may also have been some other Balkan group. Iranic was never spoken in the western Balkans by classical populations, the same goes for the rest of the Balkans.
    According to what I've read is that the first inhabitants of western balkans were Thracian tribes and that Illyrians invaded from North. They lived in modern Hungary (which is why it's called Pannonian plain) Pannonius was
    a son of Illyrios and first Illyrian tribes were Pannonian tribes.

    I am just saying what OTHERS have said, I can't have my own opinion on this issue for obvious reasons.

    I don't find a relation between Illyrians and Thracians, in my opinion those were the same groups of peoples.

    Albanians, honestly, are Epirotes a distinct Hellenic group of people can't identify them with Illyrians.

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