Illyrians (an interesting find)

[Petros Houhoulis]

Yup. We are the true Illyrians. Albanians are just Hellenes with a different dialect.

Shame on you Dick. Don't you recognize that Albanians are Italians with a different dialect?

[Kelmendasi]

According to what I've read is that the first inhabitants of western balkans were Thracian tribes and that Illyrians invaded from North. They lived in modern Hungary (which is why it's called Pannonian plain) Pannonius was
a son of Illyrios and first Illyrian tribes were Pannonian tribes.

I am just saying what OTHERS have said, I can't have my own opinion on this issue for obvious reasons.

I don't find a relation between Illyrians and Thracians, in my opinion those were the same groups of peoples.

Albanians, honestly, are Epirotes a distinct Hellenic group of people can't identify them with Illyrians.

No evidence that Thracians inhabited the western Balkans first. It was probably just some Paleo-Balkanic cultures dating back to the late Bronze Age or some time around there. Thracians were distinct from Illyrians. Albanians aren't Epirotes/Hellenic, that's just an odd claim. Albanian clearly stem from one of the non-Hellenic Paleo-Balkan groups.

[Bosniensis]

No evidence that Thracians inhabited the western Balkans first. It was probably just some Paleo-Balkanic cultures dating back to the late Bronze Age or some time around there. Thracians were distinct from Illyrians. Albanians aren't Epirotes/Hellenic, that's just an odd claim. Albanian clearly stem from one of the non-Hellenic Paleo-Balkan groups.

I don't know which languages Illyrians used, but I am absolutely sure that Thracians (Ras) spoke Balto-Slavic languages and that Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians who are genetically homogeneous are those people.

Cause Thracian language is documented to some degree, Illyrian isn't.

[Kelmendasi]

I don't know which languages Illyrians used, but I am absolutely sure that Thracians (Ras) spoke Balto-Slavic languages and that Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians who are genetically homogeneous are those people.

Cause Thracian language is documented to some degree, Illyrian isn't.

Thracians didn't speak a Slavic language like the South Slavs, even claiming that they spoke a Balto-Slavic language is a dubious claim. Their language showed similarities to Balto-Slavic, but they weren't enough to make a direct connection. Besides, Thracian was closer to Baltic rather than Slavic going by what linguists have suggested. South Slavs are Slavs, it's in the name.

[Dick]

Shame on you Dick. Don't you recognize that Albanians are Italians with a different dialect?

My bad.

I don't know which languages Illyrians used, but I am absolutely sure that Thracians (Ras) spoke Balto-Slavic languages and that Serbs, Bulgarians, Romanians who are genetically homogeneous are those people.

Both Thracian and Dacian are considered Satem-like so you may have a point.

[Bosniensis]

My bad.



Both Thracian and Dacian are considered Satem-like so you may have a point.

I've seen Thracian language word-list... that's our language... 60 everyday words. You've seen it as well.

Plus all those Historians Ovid, Strabon, Herodotus, Chalkondyles, Georgious Gemistus Pletho.

Georgios Gemistus Pletho 1450 when Empress Helena Dragas died said: "Our Dear Empress was Thracian women"

Also veneration of Thracian Horsemen (that became St. George) is the most popular among the South Slavs.

I don't know what other evidence is needed.

[Bosniensis]

Thracians didn't speak a Slavic language like the South Slavs, even claiming that they spoke a Balto-Slavic language is a dubious claim. Their language showed similarities to Balto-Slavic, but they weren't enough to make a direct connection. Besides, Thracian was closer to Baltic rather than Slavic going by what linguists have suggested. South Slavs are Slavs, it's in the name.

I am 50% Baltic + 50% Greek and all Slavs have Enormous Baltic Admixture, so what is your point?

[Kelmendasi]

I am 50% Baltic + 50% Greek and all Slavs have Enormous Baltic Admixture, so what is your point?

I thought it was 50% Ukrainian and 50% Greek? Caught you slacking nignog

[Kelmendasi]

I've seen Thracian language word-list... that's our language... 60 everyday words. You've seen it as well.

Plus all those Historians Ovid, Strabon, Herodotus, Chalkondyles, Georgious Gemistus Pletho.

Georgios Gemistus Pletho 1450 when Empress Helena Dragas died said: "Our Dear Empress was Thracian women"

Also veneration of Thracian Horsemen (that became St. George) is the most popular among the South Slavs.

I don't know what other evidence is needed.

[Bosniensis]

I thought it was 50% Ukrainian and 50% Greek? Caught you slacking nignog

MDLP 23

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serb_Serbia_ @ 4.891865
2 Montenegrian_ @ 5.123010
3 Serb_BH_ @ 5.771439
4 Croat_ @ 6.442669
5 Bosnian_ @ 6.492367
6 Hungarian_Budapest_ @ 7.316673
7 Macedonian_ @ 7.452105
8 Austrian_ @ 7.992090
9 Bulgarian_ @ 7.996101
10 Hungarian_ @ 8.636503
11 Croat_BH_ @ 8.641397
12 Slovenian_ @ 8.930889
13 German_East_ @ 9.651109
14 Czech_ @ 10.056395
15 German-Volga_ @ 10.660328
16 South_German_ @ 11.325769
17 Gagauz_ @ 12.901126
18 Dutch_ @ 13.012399
19 North_German_ @ 13.019816
20 Slovak_ @ 13.085639

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Balt_ +50% Italian_Abruzzo_ @ 2.803852