Ancestral purity or genetic mirage? The case of Macedonia

[Dorian]

Nevertheless the Paeonians accepted the Macedonian identity at the end and the newly formed Roman province of Macedonia includes the region of Rep. of Macedonia!
But the Macedonians were not only Doric Greeks, but Paeonian mountaineers as well, although the ruling class was Doric Greek!
The Roman province of Macedonia is enough proof that we have right on the name as much as you!

[Papastratosels26]

Why the thumb down Kaido?
I haven’t even made a comment about your half German ancestry

Because I like it

[Dianatomia]

Nevertheless the Paeonians accepted the Macedonian identity at the end and the newly formed Roman province of Macedonia includes the region of Rep. of Macedonia!
But the Macedonians were not only Doric Greeks, but Paeonian mountaineers as well, although the ruling class was Doric Greek!
The Roman province of Macedonia is enough proof that we have right on the name as much as you!

Which Macedonian identity? Macedonia back then consisted of Ancient Macedonia, Chalcidike, Paeonia, Dardania, Epurus, most of today's Albania, Thessaly and some parts of Thrace. These people didn't suddenly all became Macedonians. There was no such thing back then.

If Greeks and the people of the FYR of Macedonia are related, then this is due to a common descent of paleo-balkanic tribes as well as a degree of intermixture with Slavs. But this also applies to i.e. South Bulgarians and Albanians. Ofcourse they aren't Macedonians either. Nor have they ever been Macedonians. If people of the FYR of Macedonia can lay claim on Ancient Macedonian figures, then Greeks and Albanians can lay claim on Tzar Samuil based on the fact that he must have had paleo-balkanic ancestry. Just saying.

Don't get me wrong, if you want to cherish ancient Greek figures. Be my guest. But it has to be with the proper narrative. Let's not have any delusions and argue that there is some sort of surpressed and awakaned hidden identity absent evidence.

[Novi Pazar]

You are still not related to Ancient Macedonians, but to Ancient Paeonians at best. Therefore you are still usurping the name...

Petro, I agree with you that Macedonia (Skoplje) was never geographically known as Macedonia. Yes, the Greek-Slavs are connected to Greek Macedonia. Interesting to note, in the language of Greek-Slavs (Macedonians) they call poppy as 'Afion' whilst in Serbian, Bulgarian, Russian etc... It's known as Mak and Macedonia as the land-of-poppies.

[Petros Houhoulis]

In 280 BC, the Gallic invaders under Brennus ravaged the land of the Paeonians, who, being further hard pressed by the Dardani, had no alternative but to join the Macedonians. Despite their combined efforts, however, the Paeonians and Macedonians were defeated. Paeonia consolidated again but, in 217 BC, the Macedonian king Philip V of Macedon (220–179 BC), the son of Demetrius II, succeeded in uniting and incorporating into his empire the separate regions of Dassaretia and Paeonia. A mere 70 years later (in 168 BC), Roman legions conquered Macedon in turn, and a new and much larger Roman province bearing this name was formed. Paeonia around the Axios formed the second and third districts respectively of the newly constituted Roman province of Macedonia. Centuries later under Diocletian, Paeonia and Pelagonia formed a province called Macedonia Secunda or Macedonia Salutaris, belonging to the Praetorian prefecture of Illyricum.

- Livy xiv. 29

70 years are not enough for you to claim that you are Macedonians. The Egyptians were under Macedonian rule for centuries, they have a better claim to Macedonia than you'll ever make.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Nevertheless the Paeonians accepted the Macedonian identity at the end and the newly formed Roman province of Macedonia includes the region of Makedonishtan!

70 years are not long enough to change an identity, and those folks adopted the Slavic identity after the Slavic invasions, therefore nothing Macedonian was left upon them.

But the Macedonians were not only Doric Greeks, but Paeonian mountaineers as well, although the ruling class was Doric Greek!

The Macedonians were the mountaineers you silly, the Paeonians were valley folks travelling in carts. All of the Paeonian coinage is about carts!!!

The Roman province of Macedonia is enough proof that we have right on the name as much as you!

No you don't, because the Romans gave you that name, not the Macedonians.

[Bosniensis]

70 years are not enough for you to claim that you are Macedonians. The Egyptians were under Macedonian rule for centuries, they have a better claim to Macedonia than you'll ever make.

Even in 3rd century A.D. we need to add all those years. Capital city of Greece in Serbia, then we have Serbian Empire..etc..etc..

[Petros Houhoulis]

Pero you are from Serres. Sorry to break it to you, but you have no relation to the ancient Macedonians...

Serres

Serres was already incorporated into the kingdom of Phillip II of Macedonia, therefore we have many centuries of Macedonian rule over us before the Roman conquest. Nevertheless, even if we had not, a short walk into the archaeologic museum in Serres shall convince you of the Greek character of the region. We have Greek inscriptions several centuries before Serres was conquered by Macedonia.

[Petros Houhoulis]

I recommend to everyone to read the book "Macedonia and Greece: The Struggle to Define a New Balkan Nation" by John Shea!

Some parts of it:

Maybe you should recommend to John Shea to read some history and geography first:

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[Petros Houhoulis]

Even in 3rd century A.D. we need to add all those years. Capital city of Greece in Serbia, then we have Serbian Empire..etc..etc..

Where exactly did you see the name "Serbia" on that map?