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    Quote Originally Posted by nightrider+ View Post
    If SBA is Yamnaya, it doesn't seem that off, and Northern Europe would have no CHG if it wasn't for the steppe people.
    And that is the major problem. When they take out SBA as reference in their admixture runs there is still no CHG, only EHG, which is counterlogical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    And that is the major problem. When they take out SBA as reference in their admixture runs there is still no CHG, only EHG, which is counterlogical.
    It gets absorbed by the Anatolian neolithic which is interesting. Admixture runs should never be taken out of context. They obviously wanted to demonstrate how much post neolithic CHG Italy has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightrider+ View Post
    It gets absorbed by the Anatolian neolithic which is interesting. Admixture runs should never be taken out of context. They obviously wanted to demonstrate how much post neolithic CHG Italy has.
    Anatolia Neolithic has nothing to do with CHG though. At least the figures for Italy seems coherent, if this is the context you are talking about. Everything else looks like bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    Anatolia Neolithic has nothing to do with CHG though. At least the figures for Italy seems coherent, if this is the context you are talking about. Everything else looks like bullshit.
    Everything has to do with anything in genetics.

    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/0...stern.html?m=1

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightrider+ View Post
    Everything has to do with anything in genetics.

    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/0...stern.html?m=1
    This is old story. Only one clearly outlier Anatolian farmer with J2a shows significant level (one digits) of CHG, and it is not even proper CHG but more than likely something related to Tepecik-Ciftlik. CHG became widespread among Anatolians during the Middle Bronze Age. Before that, only at trace amounts at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Token View Post
    This is old story. Only one clearly outlier Anatolian farmer with J2a shows significant level (one digits) of CHG, and it is not even proper CHG but more than likely something related to Tepecik-Ciftlik. CHG became widespread among Anatolians during the Middle Bronze Age. Before that, only at trace amounts at best.
    http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/0...67877194660552

    It's probably not direct ancestry but something is there that differentiates them. That's why I said it's interesting that the chg seems to be ansorbed by an in that run.

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    This makes sense. You see a lot of variation among Italians.

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    PCA plot :


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ibericus View Post
    PCA plot :
    Northeastern Italy clearly shifting towards Eastern Europe, Piedmont towards Northwestern Europe. Both of these clusters (NItaly6 and NItaly1) got 0% Anatolian admixuture, which might have been diluted by contacts with Central European pops similar to what occured with South Slavs. Probably contacts with Slovenians and French respectively.

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    The pie charts shows Veneto as a perfect intermediate between Emilia-Romagna and Friuli.

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